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Screen time does not affect child development

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Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by kemotep »

alex_lav wrote: post #17
addicted wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your logic seems backwards. The poster you’re replying to is saying: Kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their screens are taken away implies that screens are bad for the kids’ development. So, kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their ice cream is taken away implies that ice cream is bad, not good, for the kids’ development according to the poster’s logic. I suspect most people do agree with the latter,…

> So, kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their ice cream is taken away implies that ice cream is bad This premise seems just flatout wrong though. Kids get mad when you take stuff from them, regardless of what they’re holding. I feel like I must be misunderstanding what’s being argued, because “if a kid gets mad that it’s taken away, it’s bad for them” seems at face value absolutely ridiculous and pretty verif…

My experience is that you don’t even need to physically remove the device for the tantrum to start. The battery has died and I have seen children explode and be unable to calm down until after the phone was charged back up or that parent gave their kid their own phone. I have only seen it a few times but going out to eat or to the zoo, I see kids glued to their screens all the time.

I have negative experiences with mindless scrolling youtube or reddit as an adult and understand that I have an unhealthy relationship with them due to the addictive nature and I feel my attention span has reduced over the years. If adults can have unhealthy habits with technology, why can’t small children?

Reducing the child’s dependence on a screen to stay entertained or to behave in a public setting is more like cutting your child off after a few cookies and not letting them just eat several dozen cookies for dinner than taking the bottle away.

Phones aren’t necessary like a bottle of milk is for babies.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by ravenstine »

kemotep wrote: post #2

Then why do so many kids scream their heads off and have temper tantrums when the phone is taken away? I can’t read the article at this time as it says that the site has reached its limit and I have been rate limited and blocked. Some kind of wordpress add on called wordfence?

In fairness, taking any thing away from children and having them scream in response has been pretty standard fare since time immemorial. At least that's always been my impression. As an adult, I'd be pissed if someone decided to take away the Macbook I'm typing on because of their subjective opinion that I did a naughty thing.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by abracadaniel »

alex_lav wrote: post #17
addicted wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your logic seems backwards. The poster you’re replying to is saying: Kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their screens are taken away implies that screens are bad for the kids’ development. So, kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their ice cream is taken away implies that ice cream is bad, not good, for the kids’ development according to the poster’s logic. I suspect most people do agree with the latter,…

> So, kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their ice cream is taken away implies that ice cream is bad This premise seems just flatout wrong though. Kids get mad when you take stuff from them, regardless of what they’re holding. I feel like I must be misunderstanding what’s being argued, because “if a kid gets mad that it’s taken away, it’s bad for them” seems at face value absolutely ridiculous and pretty verif…

Grab a coworkers laptop while they’re working and see the adult version of the same internal emotional response. It’s normally about unmet expectations. Set a new expectation with a: “hey you got 5 more minutes, then we need to put it away, understand?” And follow it up with a 5 minute timer. Timer goes off and maybe a disappointed pout, but not a tantrum. The child version of scheduled maintenance.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by kjkjadksj »

vidarh wrote: post #18
boh wrote: post #7

A parent doing their own "research" can quickly dispute these claims. A popular term in the parent community is "screen kid" to describe those kids who come for a play-date but literally don't know what to do when there isn't a screen in their hand. Screen kids tend be more neurotic, distractible, emotional and totally addicted to screen time. It's a little bit of a hot topic since the parents who rely more on screen…

So popular that as a parent I've never heard the term in my life, and that a Google search finds few uses of the term... Sounds like a little local bubble to me.

The more popular term where you will find a lot more hits on google is “iPad kid”

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by kemotep »

ravenstine wrote: post #22
kemotep wrote: post #2

Then why do so many kids scream their heads off and have temper tantrums when the phone is taken away? I can’t read the article at this time as it says that the site has reached its limit and I have been rate limited and blocked. Some kind of wordpress add on called wordfence?

In fairness, taking any thing away from children and having them scream in response has been pretty standard fare since time immemorial. At least that's always been my impression. As an adult, I'd be pissed if someone decided to take away the Macbook I'm typing on because of their subjective opinion that I did a naughty thing.

But at least you can understand why watching skibidi toilet is inappropriate during family dinner. “Taking it away” can mean suggesting not watching youtube while at the dinner table.

I’m not saying that no one is just ripping the phone right out of the kids hands but my experience is that when the phone battery dies, the screen addicted kids begin to meltdown until you fix it.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by swatcoder »

janosdebugs wrote: post #13
kemotep wrote: post #2

Then why do so many kids scream their heads off and have temper tantrums when the phone is taken away? I can’t read the article at this time as it says that the site has reached its limit and I have been rate limited and blocked. Some kind of wordpress add on called wordfence?

> Then why do so many kids scream their heads off and have temper tantrums when the phone is taken away? Taking things away as a method of enforcement doesn't seem to be all that effective and it undermines the kid's self determination. The only thing it does make kids angry and disappointed. A lot of kids have to live by arbitrary rules that don't make any sense, or if they do, haven't been explained to the kid. "Go…

> A lot of kids have to live by arbitrary rules that don't make any sense, or if they do, haven't been explained to the kid.

Yes, and that’s what all humans experience throughout their whole lives.

If kids aren’t exposed to measured loss and frustration in the thoughtful safety of their home, they won’t develop the skills needed for adulthood, where loss and frustration may not be so measured and constructive.

While lying is one coping skill they might develop, there are many others, and a helping role of the parent is in helping the kid find good alternatives.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by vidarh »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #25
vidarh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So popular that as a parent I've never heard the term in my life, and that a Google search finds few uses of the term... Sounds like a little local bubble to me.

The more popular term where you will find a lot more hits on google is “iPad kid”

Marginally more Google results, still lots of irrelevant resulats (of the kind "make your iPad kid-friendly etc), but not exactly many, and first time I've heard that term too.

It seems to be very new, and one article claiming it was coined on Tik Tok, which would explain why nobody I talk to uses it, though.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by Cpoll »

addicted wrote: post #10
Cpoll wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> scream their heads off and have temper tantrums Sure, but they also do that when you take away dessert. So you're on to something, ice cream causes developmental growth.

Your logic seems backwards. The poster you’re replying to is saying: Kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their screens are taken away implies that screens are bad for the kids’ development. So, kids screaming and throwing tantrums when their ice cream is taken away implies that ice cream is bad, not good, for the kids’ development according to the poster’s logic. I suspect most people do agree with the latter,…

You're right, I over-edited my post and skipped the final proofread. It needs an "impedes" somewhere in there.

Ice cream was an arbitrary choice, I could well have said French fries, or something unrelated to dietary choices.

Re: Screen time does not affect child development

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Post by boh »

vidarh wrote: post #18
boh wrote: post #7

A parent doing their own "research" can quickly dispute these claims. A popular term in the parent community is "screen kid" to describe those kids who come for a play-date but literally don't know what to do when there isn't a screen in their hand. Screen kids tend be more neurotic, distractible, emotional and totally addicted to screen time. It's a little bit of a hot topic since the parents who rely more on screen…

So popular that as a parent I've never heard the term in my life, and that a Google search finds few uses of the term... Sounds like a little local bubble to me.

If it's not a thing on the internet it doesn't exist.

Regardless if the term is popular in your area, the concept in general has been a thing since the invention of the IPad.

I'll admit protecting kids from the internet is kind of a minority opinion. Most parents I've known don't control screen time at all.

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