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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by bryanlarsen »

pixl97 wrote: post #105
ironyman wrote: post #89

- Starship got just below orbit - Booster destroyed during hot staging - SpaceX reporting that destruct system fired on upper stage towards end of burn all in all a pretty good result: clean launch and separation, good performance on the booster during ascent (no engine mishaps this time)

Yea, I've not seen up close shots of the launch facility yet, but it looks like it's all still there without massive amounts of destruction either.

Everyday Astronaut was able to reconnect to their robo-cam and pan over the launch area. No damage visible. Not only did the cameras at the launch pad survive, they didn't even get their tripods knocked over.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by Podgajski »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #139
rafamvc wrote: post #94

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It does have a positive spin, and that is a good thing. I did check your comments and you seem to have a negative spin on most of your comments. Maybe their tone is not compatible to yours. But gross and delusional seem wrong considering what they have accomplished so far. Their work is inspiring and deserves the praise and positivity.

Heh, I generally agree with you. But you really do need to wonder how much of the "SpaceX" cheering is staged/prompted. For example, they let out a big cheer from the SpaceX employees right after Starship RUD'd (try t+8:30). But the interleaved shots of their actual control center shows far more restraint. Certainly no overly disappointed looks, but Elon's face looks quite measured. Though of course, even the most ne…

Yes, this is my point. It’s marketing. I was taught not to wallow in my failures, but not to celebrate them either when I’m trying to reach a larger goal. There’s no success in failure, that’s an oxymoron,. You can learn things from failure, but it’s not a success never.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by chpatrick »

Podgajski wrote: post #119
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #91

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There were people suffering when Sputnik launched, or when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. It doesn't reduce the magnitude of the event. Sorry for whatever you are going through, though. Hope you get through it.

That was my point, you talk about new eras, but nothing changes. Who is this new for? You, me, or the billionaires who make lives like mine horrible? It’s all spectacle, and where will it all lead? We landed men on the moon, and haven’t been back. What is SpaceX going to use for going to Mars? Are you gonna be the one that’s going or are they gonna leave you behind to rot here on this burning planet?

Mars is a horrible place to live so I'll take Earth any day. But it would be nice if humanity doesn't get wiped out if we get unlucky with an asteroid.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by [deleted] »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

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And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by krisoft »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

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And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

> but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success."

True. The rest of the industry also can’t seem to muster a reusable orbital class first stage. So far evidence is with spacex. Their RUDy development seems to have born fruit before.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by kortilla »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

The “rest of the industry” isn’t doing anything at all.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by Podgajski »

somenameforme wrote: post #111
Podgajski wrote: post #74

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Rocketry is one of the single hardest things to do right. Their goal is to always go a bit further than last time as, by inches, you approach the goal. And this one went wayyyyy further than the last one. That alone makes it a huge success. Obviously not as big a success as going all the way in one go would have been, but nobody was really expecting that (even if we might secretly have been crossing our fingers anyho…

I get that it’s hard. But there’s no such thing as a “successful failure“. That’s a bullshit marketing term used to keep people hyped up about the project. I wouldn’t mind them cheering if they reach their main goal but I’m pretty sure their main goal wasn’t to have the rocket Blow up on both stages.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by panick21_ »

littlestymaar wrote: post #144
panick21_ wrote: post #121

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Its over ...

Yeah I realized that right after posting. Looks like I got confused with the timezone, I expected it to be one hour later.

I recommend using an app that tracks that for you. I use SpaceXNow.
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