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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by saberience »

idlewords wrote: post #113
foota wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why so long? Will they need to go through another round of FAA approval? Or?

They need to redesign the bottom half of the rocket so it doesn't blow up during staging, and figure out what happened to the top half and fix that.

It wont be six months. Also, your comment makes it seem like they would have redesign the whole first stage, which is highly unlikely. This is the first time they've tried to do a hot staging and it might be something relatively easy to fix related to that.

For the second stage, my guess is they triggered the FTS due to the telemetry issues or just for safety's sake, i.e. they didn't want to take any risk with the lack of telemetry.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by secstate »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

I'm not totally sure Space X cares what the rest of the industry thinks. This is next-level space engineering compared to what's come before. Who's opinions are we concerned about? ULA? Arianespace? Those companies can't even blow up a space craft successfully because they can't launch them (see, SLS, Ariane 6).

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by [deleted] »

ceejayoz wrote: post #107
KennyBlanken wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

The industry laughed it up as Falcon 9 failed landing repeatedly. ( https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ ) Then they shifted to “ok but do it 10x”. They aren’t laughing now. They’ve lost as many Starships as NASA lost Space Shuttles so far, with no deaths. It’s a test program for now. Ask the “rest of the industry” about how Boeing’s Starliner is going. That’s what failure looks like.

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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by mechhacker »

ceejayoz wrote: post #107
KennyBlanken wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

The industry laughed it up as Falcon 9 failed landing repeatedly. ( https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ ) Then they shifted to “ok but do it 10x”. They aren’t laughing now. They’ve lost as many Starships as NASA lost Space Shuttles so far, with no deaths. It’s a test program for now. Ask the “rest of the industry” about how Boeing’s Starliner is going. That’s what failure looks like.

Then they got the double heavy landing, which was mindblowing seeing it the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw3KEg6b6bE

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by sidibe »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

Come on man they did a lot better than last time. How dare you bring any negativity here

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by mcpackieh »

hypercube33 wrote: post #130
cromwellian wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rest of the industry doesn’t build dozens of ships in a massive assembly line. Blue Origin hasn’t even completed a single full test prototype ship yet. And if you go look at NASA during the Space Race era of the 60s, they blew up plenty of ships.

And there's tons of video about V2 blowing up which is where we got our 1960s tech from

The 1960s tech also blew up a lot as well.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/USAF_ICB...

Blowing up lots of rockets to figure out how not to blow up rockets is traditional rocket development. The "get everything perfect the first time so it never blows up even once" tactic is forced on NASA because Congress is dumb.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by andrepd »

BenoitP wrote: post #37

There's a direct media stream that VLC can open (with network stream): https://prod-ec-us-west-2.video.pscp.tv/Transcoding/v1/hls/O... ---- Much better quality, slightly better latency. Seems like it comes from the Periscope transcoding infrastructure. Found it on reddit here: https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/17uyblj/rspacex_int...

Imagine if the standard was this, a link that is opened by a native media player, rather than 14MB of js for a shitty stuttering inconsistent mess.
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