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A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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You are probably reinventing slums. However the UK used to be good at building well built council housing at scale. I think that is the solution. It has a great legacy as long lasting but perhaps ugly brutalist housing (Goldfinger was mentioned in the article funnily enough)

> You are probably reinventing slums. Well, obviously. Is living in a slum worse than nothing? Scott Sumner wrote a very good post about this: https://www.themoneyillusion.com/yurt-place-or-mine/ > A peasant village perched on a hillside in a third world country can be aesthetically beautiful, but a shantytown of former peasants on the edge of a large modern urban area (even if the peasants are now better off) is aes…

I think something between slums and housing would be better. Something like pods in Tokyo, which can provide shelter, security, sleep and that all important mailing address. The pods could be installed in otherwise useless properties. Of course building to high safety/fire standards.

Bigger pods or a “vlan” of pods for families.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Who cares about 986? And what of his maternal ancestors? Do people not migrate from London to Yorkshire?

I'll tell you what mate, if you can point to evidence of the specific ancestor of his that was disposed from Hampstead Heath and when that happened I'll concede the point. Otherwise this just looks like an individual trying to take something from public ownership into private ownership on the sly. Like a land owner trying to fence off a public footpath.

Sorry, but a last name and an accent isn't enough to shift any burden of proof, mate. My last name is English, but my ancestors have lived in the US for 400 years.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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> You are probably reinventing slums. Well, obviously. Is living in a slum worse than nothing? Scott Sumner wrote a very good post about this: https://www.themoneyillusion.com/yurt-place-or-mine/ > A peasant village perched on a hillside in a third world country can be aesthetically beautiful, but a shantytown of former peasants on the edge of a large modern urban area (even if the peasants are now better off) is aes…

If you alienate the people that generate wealth, they will eventually move away. Overwhelmingly, such people do not want to live in a city with slums.

> Overwhelmingly, such people do not want to live in a city with slums.

They'll vote that way, but they won't take any action more concrete than that. Look at San Francisco. Its center is surrounded by slums. Its outlying region to the east, Oakland, was traditionally one big slum. And the reason Oakland became a little less slumlike is that San Francisco was attracting too many residents.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Because a) he "stole" the land he used (land is really expensive in the UK and especially London) to build the shelter, and b) if the shelters were built officially there are of course rules to follow that I guarantee you this guy did not follow - e.g. fire safety. If the government built shelters out of some off cuts of wood and tarpaulin and then loads of homeless people burnt to death one day in them, who do you t…

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Hampstead Heath is actually one of the rare examples of the public successfully fighting private developers to keep land in public ownership[0], culminating in the 1871 Hampstead Heath Act which ensured the land was "always kept uninclosed and unbuilt on"[1].

[0] https://www.heathandhampstead.org.uk/home/origins/

[1] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/Vict/34-35/77/enacted

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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If you alienate the people that generate wealth, they will eventually move away. Overwhelmingly, such people do not want to live in a city with slums.

> Overwhelmingly, such people do not want to live in a city with slums. They'll vote that way, but they won't take any action more concrete than that. Look at San Francisco. Its center is surrounded by slums. Its outlying region to the east, Oakland, was traditionally one big slum. And the reason Oakland became a little less slumlike is that San Francisco was attracting too many residents.

Last I checked population is rapidly falling there.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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I love seeing this creativity, but I hate the system that causes people to have to live this way. I was homeless off and on for years, blending in. Crashing in college campus common areas, or living in my car. Bumming showers from friends once in a while or paper towel baths in gas station bathrooms. Would sometimes sleep in the trunk when it got cold enough. I was normally employed, had friends, and most knew nothin…

I don’t think words can state how angry this makes me. Wtf is wrong with those police and judge. How can this be socially acceptable? Those people should be behind bars for cruelty against humanity. Couldn’t imagine something like this in Europe. Certainly we have our systematic problems towards homelessness but what’s going on in the states is intensionaly beating down.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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He later escaped from prison and as far as Google seems to know is still free.

Came to the comments to see if anything was known about him post-escape.

My google-fu fails me in finding any info regarding capture. Maybe his is still at large?

He apparently escaped on Oct 15 2020 [0], smack dab into the middle of the pandemic. A national lockdown came into effect in early November 2020 [1] - how the hell would that work for him?

[0] https://www.islingtontribune.co.uk/article/hampstead-heath-g...

[1] https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/file...

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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I love seeing this creativity, but I hate the system that causes people to have to live this way. I was homeless off and on for years, blending in. Crashing in college campus common areas, or living in my car. Bumming showers from friends once in a while or paper towel baths in gas station bathrooms. Would sometimes sleep in the trunk when it got cold enough. I was normally employed, had friends, and most knew nothin…

But sending billions of dollars to fund wars overseas is done because it’s humanitarian and the “right thing to do”. How the homeless are treated tells me all I need to know about the people in power.

Aid sent abroad isn't humanitarian, it's to buy political and strategic favours from autocrats.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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I love seeing this creativity, but I hate the system that causes people to have to live this way. I was homeless off and on for years, blending in. Crashing in college campus common areas, or living in my car. Bumming showers from friends once in a while or paper towel baths in gas station bathrooms. Would sometimes sleep in the trunk when it got cold enough. I was normally employed, had friends, and most knew nothin…

I don’t think words can state how angry this makes me. Wtf is wrong with those police and judge. How can this be socially acceptable? Those people should be behind bars for cruelty against humanity. Couldn’t imagine something like this in Europe. Certainly we have our systematic problems towards homelessness but what’s going on in the states is intensionaly beating down.

Maybe instead of going full-feels, you should pause and contemplate why those sorts of regulations and laws exist. I would imagine it relates to the premise that public spaces are supposed to be a benefit to all, which doesn't happen if they mostly serve as an encampment for a minority of a population.

Well-intentioned actions like the ones in the parent post can actually come with negative externalities that entirely outweigh them; places like San Francisco are learning that particular lesson as we speak.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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> Van Allen had budgeted £100 for the job, and come in under. I have a question to people in charge of politics everywhere: Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people? If there are 100.000 homeless in a community, and 2 people manage to build that sort of shelter, with what they could get in tools and materials for 1,00…

1. Where are you going to build these? The neighbours will vote against you. Or you can build them in the middle of nowhere, meaning that they’re nowhere near any jobs. 2. This is appalling accommodation: no mains electricity, no heating, no running water, no sewerage. It is cheap, yes. People will assume that it’s part of a plan to _replace_ existing social housing, punish the working poor and generate tax cuts for…

Just "adequate" by modern but still simple standard would do. Think tiny home, 1-bedroom apartment, or Japan style capsule hotel with some shared amenities. But you know what? Even that isn't built.

In the NL, around ~1960, many families had like 4, 5 children. Yet managed to live in 1- or 2-bedroom apartments.

Fast forward to today: Many people live single, pairs, or 1-child families. And population has grown. Building on average more compact housing would seem appropiate. But what happens?

In small town where I lived before, there were 5 recent home construction sites. Only one of those is modest sized social housing. How many? Around 30 apartments, in a ~80k municipality.

The other 4 sites (several dozen homes each) are all large, freestanding or 2-under-1-roof homes with like 4 or 5 bedroom, large yard, garage/carport etc. You can be very sure that if you'd check a random house, chances are you'd find a single well-earning person, or a couple living there. Not rarely elderly & retired. Perhaps a 1-child family if lucky.

Not big families with 4, 5 kids that you'd think is a logical match for homes like that.

It's like that almost everywhere. What's built is not what's needed to house a growing population of singles or small families. Instead, what's built is built to serve the well-off, use home (or 2nd, or 3rd) as investment part of the population.

Never mind professional landlords & real estate investment funds that drive up the price of housing for everyone.

This is a political problem first & foremost. Solutions exist if the political will were there. But political establishment won't fix it until things get untennable for a large enough % of the population that it threatens their re-election.

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