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A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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You are probably reinventing slums. However the UK used to be good at building well built council housing at scale. I think that is the solution. It has a great legacy as long lasting but perhaps ugly brutalist housing (Goldfinger was mentioned in the article funnily enough)

> You are probably reinventing slums. Well, obviously. Is living in a slum worse than nothing? Scott Sumner wrote a very good post about this: https://www.themoneyillusion.com/yurt-place-or-mine/ > A peasant village perched on a hillside in a third world country can be aesthetically beautiful, but a shantytown of former peasants on the edge of a large modern urban area (even if the peasants are now better off) is aes…

> Well, obviously. Is living in a slum worse than nothing?

It's easier to move people on when it gets "inconvenient" if there are no structures.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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I love seeing this creativity, but I hate the system that causes people to have to live this way.

I was homeless off and on for years, blending in. Crashing in college campus common areas, or living in my car. Bumming showers from friends once in a while or paper towel baths in gas station bathrooms. Would sometimes sleep in the trunk when it got cold enough. I was normally employed, had friends, and most knew nothing of my living situation. I knew how to hide. Part of that invisible homeless population. Thankfully I had my youth, my health, and the will to find many types of work, save, find my way out. Most are not so lucky.

Later, on my feet, I would often try to help visible homeless I had developed some empathy for. One day handing out 50 sandwiches at Lake Eola Park in Orlando, like I did every month, I was given a warning by a police officer to stop. I tore it up in front of him and dared him to arrest me. I was already out of food for the day so he walked away. Dozens of others who doing a larger scale regular feedings with Food Not Bombs were actually arrested over a few months.

Feeding 25 people was the limit, and cops went in undercover plain clothes to catch who would commit the crime of feeding the 26th hungry person at Lake Eola park.

They would often arrest the homeless too, for loitering and other such nonsense. Friend of mine had been arrested for this, and then repeatedly arrested over a dozen times for failing to pay the fines, jail costs, and court costs related to the previous arrests and so on burning endless taxpayer time and money. At least he got a hot meal and a bed in jail some nights.

Once in a local court myself for a traffic citation, I saw a man in front of me issued a $200 fine by a judge for holding up a sign asking for money in a public place.

The homeless are not helped in most of America. They are not seen as human, but as vermin to be removed, along with anyone that gives them too much unsanctioned help.

You can hardly blame them for breaking a few laws to survive, when it is against the law for them to even exist.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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> Van Allen had budgeted £100 for the job, and come in under. I have a question to people in charge of politics everywhere: Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people? If there are 100.000 homeless in a community, and 2 people manage to build that sort of shelter, with what they could get in tools and materials for 1,00…

That's very cute. The homeless are just a beacon so you can know what is in store for you if you don't bend the knee.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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> Van Allen had budgeted £100 for the job, and come in under. I have a question to people in charge of politics everywhere: Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people? If there are 100.000 homeless in a community, and 2 people manage to build that sort of shelter, with what they could get in tools and materials for 1,00…

1. Where are you going to build these? The neighbours will vote against you. Or you can build them in the middle of nowhere, meaning that they’re nowhere near any jobs. 2. This is appalling accommodation: no mains electricity, no heating, no running water, no sewerage. It is cheap, yes. People will assume that it’s part of a plan to _replace_ existing social housing, punish the working poor and generate tax cuts for…

> This is appalling accommodation: no mains electricity, no heating, no running water, no sewerage. It is cheap,

Exactly. You can save a lot of money upfront by demanding cities allow shanty towns and slums but they'll only bring heavy costs and problems down the road that are far reaching and hard to clean up. The richest nations on Earth can more than afford to do better. Real, safe, sanitary housing is not impossible, it just requires investment.

We should also be giving consideration to where we build that housing so that we're not hurting the local environment by pushing biocapacity too far. We need to quit hurting ourselves with stupid shortsighted cheap temporary workarounds that just cause more problems and focus on long term sustainable solutions.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Because a) he "stole" the land he used (land is really expensive in the UK and especially London) to build the shelter, and b) if the shelters were built officially there are of course rules to follow that I guarantee you this guy did not follow - e.g. fire safety. If the government built shelters out of some off cuts of wood and tarpaulin and then loads of homeless people burnt to death one day in them, who do you t…

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Bollocks it was! Hampstead Heath was in private ownership from before 986, before the Doomsday Book even. Then it was purchased for public use in 1870 odd.

The name Van Allen implies Dutch ancestry and, according to the article, he has a Yorkshire accent, so it sounds very implausible that a public park in London was "stolen" from his ancestors.

He has no more right to deprive other people of the use of this land, by building a private residence, than anybody else.

The solution to homelessness in London is through government building public housing to replace all housing stock they sold into private ownership not from individuals nabbing their own bit of a public park.

We could back that up with better provision of the mental health services that have been de-funded over time.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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Bollocks it was! Hampstead Heath was in private ownership from before 986, before the Doomsday Book even. Then it was purchased for public use in 1870 odd. The name Van Allen implies Dutch ancestry and, according to the article, he has a Yorkshire accent, so it sounds very implausible that a public park in London was "stolen" from his ancestors. He has no more right to deprive other people of the use of this land, by…

Who cares about 986? And what of his maternal ancestors? Do people not migrate from London to Yorkshire?

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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The article suggests he got sand from the "sandy carpark". While it is true that there are parts of Hampstead Heath with a lot of natural "bagshot sand"[0], it is a bit further away from the bunker, and is fairly compacted and difficult to access. On the other hand, about 2 minutes from the bunker, there is a children's playground with a sandpit, and that year I did notice the sand disappearing from the sandpit more rapidly than other years (I used to joke that it was all coming home in my children's shoes). It's a minor point, but makes you wonder if there are any other minor points that might not be quite right.

[0] https://walksonhampsteadheath.co.uk/sandy-heath/

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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> Van Allen had budgeted £100 for the job, and come in under. I have a question to people in charge of politics everywhere: Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people? If there are 100.000 homeless in a community, and 2 people manage to build that sort of shelter, with what they could get in tools and materials for 1,00…

> "Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people?"

The "Homes for All" council house building was a key part of Britain's post-war reconstruction. Unfortunately all of that came to an end with Thatcher's Right to Buy[0] in 1980, with long-term public assets sold off for short-term private gains (sometimes in direct exchange for votes[1]), thereby creating the country's current shortage of affordable housing.

Edit: One anecdote to illustrate - Just a few streets away from the bunker in the article, a council home was sold for £775K to someone who immediately flipped it to overseas developers for around £1.5M and moved overseas himself, and the developers then applied to tear it down and build a much larger house with an "iceberg basement" to sell for £5M[2]. Now if all of that >£4M profit went to the council to build replacement homes it might not have been so bad, but it didn't (and in this case the money didn't even stay within the country).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal

[2] (Apologies for the Daily Mail link) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3281930/Ex-EastEnde...

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bollocks it was! Hampstead Heath was in private ownership from before 986, before the Doomsday Book even. Then it was purchased for public use in 1870 odd. The name Van Allen implies Dutch ancestry and, according to the article, he has a Yorkshire accent, so it sounds very implausible that a public park in London was "stolen" from his ancestors. He has no more right to deprive other people of the use of this land, by…

Who cares about 986? And what of his maternal ancestors? Do people not migrate from London to Yorkshire?

I'll tell you what mate, if you can point to evidence of the specific ancestor of his that was disposed from Hampstead Heath and when that happened I'll concede the point.

Otherwise this just looks like an individual trying to take something from public ownership into private ownership on the sly. Like a land owner trying to fence off a public footpath.

Re: A homeless man built a life underground Hampstead Heath (2020)

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I love seeing this creativity, but I hate the system that causes people to have to live this way. I was homeless off and on for years, blending in. Crashing in college campus common areas, or living in my car. Bumming showers from friends once in a while or paper towel baths in gas station bathrooms. Would sometimes sleep in the trunk when it got cold enough. I was normally employed, had friends, and most knew nothin…

But sending billions of dollars to fund wars overseas is done because it’s humanitarian and the “right thing to do”.

How the homeless are treated tells me all I need to know about the people in power.

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