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Post by CamperBob2 »

lucubratory wrote: post #108
CamperBob2 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They left out 7) Ability to explain why anyone who uses "Operationalizing" in a sentence is a bad person or AGI, and should feel bad

I used to feel the same way, but I got convinced that it's useful. Going from "planned" to "operational" in a way that conveys the continuity of the process doesn't have a good adverb and operationalising fits the bill.

"Realizing" works pretty well.

Strunk & White would've shit a pair of bricks over that. I shudder to think how "Operationalizing" would've gone over.

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Post by ignoramous »

famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

> Tinfoil? Hat time

Similar hat: https://twitter.com/8teAPi/status/1725724907722752008 / https://archive.is/bvLVQ

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

MVissers wrote: post #66
famouswaffles wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be weird for this sort of disagreement to reach a feverpitch that would see the CEO sacked without some much better model in the background though. Like Dev Day was characterized as "too far". How ? How is that interfering with the mission to benefit all humanity? It's all very weird.

How is profit-sharing chatgpt stores benefiting humanity?

Attracting developers arguably benefits humanity, and one way to do that is by sharing profits.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by stevenhuang »

oivey wrote: post #122
stevenhuang wrote: post #49

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Ah the classic "LLMs are limited bc they can't do character level manipulations". Buddy these are deliberate optimization trade-offs in the tokenizer, LLMs don't even see individual characters. Talk about a red herring. I highly suggest a more refined understanding of LLMs before emphatically stating what they are or aren't. It's frankly embarrassing.

It’s a performance critical optimization that has downsides. It’s a completely fair criticism. It’s like someone claimed a hammer is a universal construction tool, and then someone else pointed out hammers aren’t great for screwing in screws. Your position is that a universal construction tool doesn’t need to work with screws because hammers were never designed to do so.

A hammer is a finished product.

LLMs as a technology are in their infancy and see groundbreaking developments every month.

There are models trained on character level tokens that handle precisely these issues.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.06158

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/17xj8wl/trainin...

The fact LLMs can't currently handle character-level changes tell us nothing about whether or not they truly understand meaning.

The parent commentator is not probing the right things to answer his question.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by GenericPoster »

windowshopping wrote: post #139
GenericPoster wrote: post #136

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A 4 4 rubix cube is barely harder to solve than a 3 3 rubix cube. After all, it's only a difference of 1.

Are you really saying the jump from a 3x rubiks cube to a 4x rubiks cube is comparable to the jump from chatgpt to the singularity?

No, I'm making fun of the original comment that compared gpt3.5 and gpt4 by saying its only a difference of .5

It's an absolute absurd way to compare things and incredibly reductive.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by bbor »

windowshopping wrote: post #7
famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

Define “mind”

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by ahzhou »

Barrin92 wrote: post #45
karmasimida wrote: post #38

This coup is badly executed though. OpenAI’s reputation is hurt irreparably Maybe it is a good thing now other companies can finally have a window to catch up

>This coup is badly executed though I've seen this language used a few times now. A company's CEO is appointed by, and serves the goals of the board. Not the other way around. When the board perceives that the CEO isn't doing this, they can fire him. That's neither metaphorically or literally a coup. Especially bad narrative in this case because openAI has given itself a charter (and legal structure that subjects the…

Firing a CEO is an extraordinary measure only taken in dramatic situations. Yes, the board can do it, but the legal and reputation risks are such that at the very least you let the CEO resign and pass the torch down.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by voitvod »

windowshopping wrote: post #51
qgin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line for AGI used to be the Turing Test. But we blew past that with current models without even blinking and came up with new requirements because we weren’t ready to call something AGI yet.

I just don't think they've come up with a definition of what AGI even is. Like, ChatGPT can do a lot, but it has no preferences, no desires, no memories, no feelings, no creativity. It's a text output calculated based on a text input combined with other text inputs. It's an extremely impressive piece of technology. But that is not a mind, that is not a consciousness. What even is AGI, really? I've been arguing with v…

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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by ssss11 »

windowshopping wrote: post #7
famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

I got it to make a logo for my hypothetical startup yesterday but it put these weird coloured circles beneath it so I asked it to remove those. It generated a whole new logo. No matter how many times I tried to get it to give me the original logo with the changes I wanted it just kept generating new ones. Sometimes with spelling mistakes of the fake company name.. That was not intelligence.

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Post by hyperthesis »

famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Hats on to you. The AGI was compellingly persausive that sam must be fired immediately.

They didn't fire him for that reason, but because it would be dangerously persuasive to release without safeguards - which is what sam planned to do without telling the board.

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