OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by bitcharmer » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:13 AM UTC

dannykwells wrote: post #707

johnwheeler wrote: post #699

Ilya booted him https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294

This should be higher voted. Seems like an internal power struggle between the more academic types and the commercial minded sides of OpenAI. I bet Sam goes and founds a company to take on OpenAI…and wins.

I have no problem with getting rid of people obsessed with profits and shareholder gains. Those MBA types never deliver any value except for the investors.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by jrcplus » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:17 AM UTC

Tweet from Sam, decoded by @hellokillian: “i love you all” I L Y A “one takeaway: go tell your friends how great you think they are.”

https://twitter.com/hellokillian/status/1725799674676936931

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by koolba » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:17 AM UTC

Cyphase wrote: post #891

At the moment this thread is the third most highly voted ever on HN. 1. (6015) Stephen Hawking dying 2. (5771) Apple's letter related to the San Bernardino case 3. (4629) Sam Altman getting fired from OpenAI (this thread) 4. (4338) Apple's page about Steve Jobs dying 5. (4310) Bram Moolenaar dying https://hn.algolia.com/

I’ve been pondering a more accurate metric for comparing stories over time. The raw point value doesn’t work as there’s inflation due to a larger user base.

The value needs to be adjusted to factor that in that change. Something like dividing by the sum of all upvotes in some preceding time period.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by AlchemistCamp » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:20 AM UTC

dwd wrote: post #856

johnwheeler wrote: post #699

Ilya booted him https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294

Jeremy Howard called ngmi on OpenAI during the Vanishing Gradients podcast yesterday, and Ilya has probably been thinking the same: LLM is a dead-end and not the path to AGI. https://twitter.com/HamelHusain/status/1725655686913392933

He's since reversed his call: https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725714720400068752

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:22 AM UTC

convexstrictly wrote: post #669

Kara Swisher: a “misalignment” of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725678074333635028 She also says that there will be many more top employees leaving.

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Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by figassis » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:23 AM UTC

convexstrictly wrote: post #669

Kara Swisher: a “misalignment” of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725678074333635028 She also says that there will be many more top employees leaving.

I feel compelled to agree with this. I have no issues with OpenAI as it was under Sam, but they did build OpenAI as a nonprofit, and then made it a for profit to further that goal. Assuming VC culture took over, when would it be ok to reign that in? In 10 years when likely all the people that had the power to do this were gone and we were left with something like Google's amnesia about "do no evil"?

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by aidaman » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:26 AM UTC

jrcplus wrote: post #902

Tweet from Sam, decoded by @hellokillian: “i love you all” I L Y A “one takeaway: go tell your friends how great you think they are.” https://twitter.com/hellokillian/status/1725799674676936931

holy fk

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by figassis » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:28 AM UTC

kromem wrote: post #475

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #385

For me, this stood out in the announcement: > In a statement, the board of directors said: “OpenAI was deliberately structured to advance our mission: to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all humanity. The board remains fully committed to serving this mission. Why would they include that? Maybe its just filler, but if not then it is possible that there has been more than a simple disagreement about…

Or Sam was the driving force behind increasingly closed research and that went against the board's commitment to "benefit all humanity"? Maybe the closed GPT-4 details were promised by him to be a one time temporary thing at the time and then he has been continuing to stonewall releasing details later on?

Since the beginning of OpenAI, haven't we been slowly surprised by the progressive closedness what it was becoming. I think there were multiple threads on HN about this, and the irony in the name. Maybe this has been going on for much longer and reached a tipping point.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by dontlaugh » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:30 AM UTC

Cyphase wrote: post #891

At the moment this thread is the third most highly voted ever on HN. 1. (6015) Stephen Hawking dying 2. (5771) Apple's letter related to the San Bernardino case 3. (4629) Sam Altman getting fired from OpenAI (this thread) 4. (4338) Apple's page about Steve Jobs dying 5. (4310) Bram Moolenaar dying https://hn.algolia.com/

I’m struggling to figure out why anyone cares.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by tarruda » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 9:33 AM UTC

dwd wrote: post #856

johnwheeler wrote: post #699

Ilya booted him https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294

Jeremy Howard called ngmi on OpenAI during the Vanishing Gradients podcast yesterday, and Ilya has probably been thinking the same: LLM is a dead-end and not the path to AGI. https://twitter.com/HamelHusain/status/1725655686913392933

Did he say GPT-4 API costs OpenAI $3/token?