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Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by astrange »

anthk wrote: post #78
astrange wrote: post #62

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The games of course don't call themselves JRPGs; game series in Japan tend to make up their own genre names, and each individual Tales Of game actually claims to be a different one they invented for it. Some of the developers are very sensitive about this term. Recently for FFXVI the director went on a press tour talking about he made it Western by making the dev team watch Game of Thrones and in one interview essent…

Slur? I doubt it. Series like the Shin Megami Tensei ones were pretty different to AD&D based Western RPG's. And Chrono Trigger it's a mix between Toriyama artwork with Square's design. It's like Poker and 'Mus'. Both are card games, but the mechanics are pretty different. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus_(card_game)

Well, talk to him about it.

https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-16-producer-naoki-yo...

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by latexr »

Not mentioned in the article is that Akira Toriyama, the creator of Dragon Ball, is the character designer for Dragon Quest. This is a big part of the appeal for many and I’m certain there are people who today pick up the games for that alone. The weaker enemies in particular have a kind of whimsical endearing appeal that makes them distinct from other franchises; you can imagine the personality of a dinosaur or demon by looking at the sprite. Which, if you’re familiar with Toriyama’s other work, gives it a sort of levity to the early portions of the story when you’re just a bight-eyed kid going on an adventure.

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

krapp wrote: post #19
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #8

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Why should a young child grapple with rape, slitting mothers throat for money, suicide, gambling addiction, rape, genicide, etc? You arent majing a very good pitch for this being a family fruendly game...

> Why should a young child grapple with rape, slitting mothers throat for money, suicide, gambling addiction, rape, genicide, etc? Have you read most faerie tales, or Bible stories for that matter? Or watched children's television? Or grown up in a less than perfect household? These are simply the themes of real life, and only rare privilege allows one to reach adolescence blissfully ignorant of life's sharp edges. B…

I mean fair enough, I have never played final fantasy VI, so maybe if I had it would make more sense, but that post read to me like :

Its full of rape and murder! great for kids!

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by smoldesu »

cubefox wrote: post #66
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #65

> Before that scene in Final Fantasy VII, Hironobu Sakaguchi served up a shocker of equal magnitude in Final Fantasy VI. Halfway through the game, the bad guys win despite your best efforts and the world effectively ends, leaving your party wandering through a post-apocalyptic World of Ruin like the characters in a Harlan Ellison story. The effect this had on some players’ emotions could verge on traumatizing — heady…

I thought it was commonly accepted that Chrono Trigger (another SNES JRPG) was better than FF6.

Live A Live, Super Mario RPG and Seiken Densetsu are also solid contenders. It really depends on what you wanted out of an RPG at the time - pretty much all of SquareSoft's output on SNES was magnificent.

For my money, FFVI is the best game of the lot. It's a very close call but I just prefer the story it tells and the way it does it. You'll certainly find people out there who disagree, though!

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by xwdv »

jstarfish wrote: post #79
JohnBooty wrote: post #71

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I don't think it's silly of you to bring this up. In fact I think it's crucial to reexamine nonconsensual stuff in fiction, even kids' fiction. But I don't think I agree with your conclusion here. It's true: in the real world a forced marriage is more or less explicitly rapey. But at some point we as a society decided that in light works of fantasy we don't need to really need to follow every single thing to its logi…

> I mean, was there rape in Super Mario Brothers? The antagonist is quite the princess-kidnapper. I was surprised to see they only now re-released Super Mario RPG. There's a forced-marriage story arc in that one too, and Mario Odyssey also had an abort-the-wedding mission. I'm in a weird position where you don't agree with me, but I actually agree with you . Yeah, wedding implies an unwanted consummation, but there's…

Take another look at the cast of FF6 and you’ll realize a lot of them aren’t really good people… Locke is a thief, Shadow is a straight up killer for hire, Setzer a degenerate gambler and rapist, Edgar a creepy womanizer, and Celes was gleefully killing people for the empire before changing sides (imagine a Nazi general just deciding she’ll join the Allies instead).

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

smoldesu wrote: post #84
cubefox wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was commonly accepted that Chrono Trigger (another SNES JRPG) was better than FF6.

Live A Live, Super Mario RPG and Seiken Densetsu are also solid contenders. It really depends on what you wanted out of an RPG at the time - pretty much all of SquareSoft's output on SNES was magnificent. For my money, FFVI is the best game of the lot. It's a very close call but I just prefer the story it tells and the way it does it. You'll certainly find people out there who disagree, though!

yep, same here. It doesn't take away from the other games, chrono trigger is absolutely an amazing game, then and now.

But FFVI was special.

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by bdowling »

User23 wrote: post #57

Emulation is legal in the USA and the copyright act allows those in US jurisdiction to make copies needed to run software, which includes dumping a ROM from a cartridge.

Here’s the section you’re referencing: 17 USC 117. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/117

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by deaddodo »

jdlyga wrote: post #25

I remember when it was "console style rpg" and "pc style rpg". It just so happens that "pc style rpg" games started getting released on consoles too, and somehow took over the RPG label.

I've never heard these terms. You had either "western RPG" or "computer RPG" for technical/system-focused games like Ultima, Baldur's Gate, Diablo, Fallout, etc or "Japanese RPG" for story-focused games like Final Fantasy, Dragon's Quest, Terranigma, Star Ocean, etc.

RPG originally referred to the former, as they came first. JRPG was an offshoot of it, from Japanese developers influenced by the genre but putting their own spin on it. So there is no "take over"; just the offshoot fading.

Re: Putting the "J" in the RPG, Part 1: Dorakue

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Post by anthk »

astrange wrote: post #81
anthk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slur? I doubt it. Series like the Shin Megami Tensei ones were pretty different to AD&D based Western RPG's. And Chrono Trigger it's a mix between Toriyama artwork with Square's design. It's like Poker and 'Mus'. Both are card games, but the mechanics are pretty different. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus_(card_game)

Well, talk to him about it. https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-16-producer-naoki-yo...

JRPG's were born in Japan and thus they are called JRPG because they are built on that design/aesthetics. Is not derogatory. For instance, my country, Spain, has lots of comics and books based on slapstick and the society being built on roguery (picaresca) with crude/sneaking hacks to solve issues and backstabbings eveywhere. That's a trope since the 16th Century. And nobody would say Spanish 'picaresca' it's xenophobic even if a Southern French or an Italian writes a novel around that genre. Easier on the Italian because of the obvious reasons.
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