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Post by username332211 »

davorak wrote: post #313
jdminhbg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically a confirmation, but with a slight disagreement on the vocabulary used to describe it.

I read it as Ilya Sutskever thinking the move is good non-profit governance grounds and that does not match what coup often means, unlawful seizure of power or maybe unprincipled/unreasonable seizure of power. Ilya Sutskever seems to think this is a reasonable principled move to seize power that is in line with the non-profits goals and governance, but does not seem to care too much if you call it a coup.

That's just spin. Which coup hasn't been a "reasonable and principled move to seize power" according to it's orchestrator?

Do you think Napoleon or Pinochet made speeches to the effect of "Yes, it was a completely unprincipled power-grab, but what are you going to do about it, lol?"

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Post by watwut »

clnq wrote: post #265
ribosometronome wrote: post #211

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> Whether it's right or just in some sense is a different conversation. The same conversation if it's "mature", surely? I'm failing to see how one thinks turning a blind eye to like, decades of sexual impropriety and major internal culture issues to the point the state takes action against your company is "mature". Like, under what definition?

Mature, as in the opposite of ingenuous. It does no good to harm a company further. Kotick did enough damage, he left, all that needed to be said about him was said, tirelessly. Every effort to get him to offer some reparations - expended. So what was there to gain from the company speaking ill of their past employee? What was even left to say? Nothing. No one wants to work in an organization that vilifies its own pe…

> Mature, as in the opposite of ingenuous

To tell it in an exaggerated way, maturity should not imply sociopathy or completely disregard for everything.

Obviously I am referring here to Kottick situation. But, the definition where it is immature to tell the truth and mature to enable powerful bad players is wrong definition of maturity.

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Post by [deleted] »

lazide wrote: post #320
fsckboy wrote: post #176

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no, I was replying to a comment that said it was a power struggle in which the board needed to act quickly before they lost power. The board may very well have met for this very reason, or perhaps it was at this meeting that the lack of candor was found or discussed, but to hold a board meeting there is overhead, and if the board is already in agreement at the meeting, they vote. It only seems sudden to outsiders, an…

How would the board have lost power?

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Post by fsckboy »

lazide wrote: post #320
fsckboy wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, I was replying to a comment that said it was a power struggle in which the board needed to act quickly before they lost power. The board may very well have met for this very reason, or perhaps it was at this meeting that the lack of candor was found or discussed, but to hold a board meeting there is overhead, and if the board is already in agreement at the meeting, they vote. It only seems sudden to outsiders, an…

How would the board have lost power?

that's what i'm saying, it was not a power struggle. I shouldn't have to make the other guy's argument for him...

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Post by fsloth »

smilespray wrote: post #399
two_in_one wrote: post #396

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> Thankfully M$ didn't have control of the board You never know. Remember Nokia?

That still pisses me off.

The downfall of Nokia phones was seeded in it’s management culture. After one message from their CEO Elop Osbourned the market for Nokia phones faster than you can say ”burning raft”, the house of cards built on top of strong early brand history and increasingly commodotized radio technology, Micrsoft basically paid billions for an offering that would have required a heroic&legendary pivot (would have been possible with the talent and tech still in house).

Really really. You have two so-frigging-stereotypical samples of management ineptitude in running a strong commercial brand AND leadership (Osbourne:’guys our phones suck’ ; ’change management 101’: burning raft is literally the most commmon and mundane turn of phraze meant to imply you need to act fast. Using this specific phraze is a clear beacon you are out of way out of your depth by paraphrazing 101 material to your company). If the phones had been a strong product, none of this would have mattered. But they weren’t and this was as clear way to signal ”emperor has no clothes” as possible.

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Post by marvin »

ipaddr wrote: post #344
smharris65 wrote: post #239

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Some insider details that seem to agree with this: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126/

Based on the amount of comments in that time period that is probably a fake insider.

Altman risking his role as CEO of the new industrial revolution for a book deal is implausible.

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Post by mlajtos »

fsloth wrote: post #415
smilespray wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That still pisses me off.

The downfall of Nokia phones was seeded in it’s management culture. After one message from their CEO Elop Osbourned the market for Nokia phones faster than you can say ”burning raft”, the house of cards built on top of strong early brand history and increasingly commodotized radio technology, Micrsoft basically paid billions for an offering that would have required a heroic&legendary pivot (would have been possible w…

N9 was a work of art. Fuck Elop.

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Post by timeon »

js8 wrote: post #362
015a wrote: post #269

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AGI is existential. That's the whole point, I think. If they can get to AGI, then building an LLM app store is such a distraction along the path that any reasonable person would look back and laugh at how cute an idea it was, despite how big or profitable it feels today.

It's a distraction only if you are not an effective altruist. To build AGI (so that all humans can benefit) you need money, so this was a way to make money so they could FINALLY be spent on the goal of AGI. /s I think the next AGI startup should perhaps try the communist revolution route, since the capitalist-based one didn't pan out. After all, Lenin was a pioneer in effective altruism. /s

Can '/s' after straw man sneak the message across?

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Post by OJFord »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #251
bushbaba wrote: post #224

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See after hours. Looks like down ~1.5%

That does not qualify as tanking. Stock prices move that much all the time. https://www.google.com/finance/quote/MSFT:NASDAQ

It's a >40B hit to market cap, supposedly caused by news from a company they've invested afaict $11B in.

I wouldn't call it 'tanking' either, but it's definitely not run of the mill, did make them rush out a statement on their commitment to investment and working with OpenAI.

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