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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by mercymay »

Interesting thoughts about the pot of gold vs the internal open source vision. Why did they have to parade Sam's ass up on the DevDay Stage to push the product and company forward though. Couldn't they have canned his ass last week.

I did really liked his speech at DevDay though. It felt kinda like future a I'd be more interested in getting to know. Also, on the pot of gold theory, doesn't he not even take any stock. Chasing GPU's more like. Anyhow, weird move on OpenAI's part.

Anyone got a decent DALLE3 replacement yet. XD

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by Sai_ »

dragonwriter wrote: post #360
gizmo wrote: post #20

Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement is totally unprofessional. sama got accused of serious misconduct. Even if he was too eager to commercialize OpenAIs tech that doesn't come close to justifying this circus act.

> Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement A fundamental inability to align on what, on a fundamental level, the mission set out in the charter of a 501(c)(3) charity means in real world terms is not "a simple strategy disagreement"; moreover, the existence of a factional dispute over that doesn't mean that there weren't serious specific conduct that occurred in the context of th…

The board questioned his “candid”-ness. This was not a difference of opinion on strategy.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #328
CamperBob2 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if most humans would do any better on those exercises. This thing is two years old . Be patient.

This comparison again lol. > As if most humans would do any better on those exercises. Thats not the point. If you claim you have a machine that can fly, you can't get around a proof of that by saying "mOsT hUmAns cAnt fly" so therefore this machine not flying is irrelevant. This thing either objectively reasons or not. It is irrelevant how well humans do on those tests. > This thing is two years old. Be patient. Nob…

At various points from 1950, the gullible mass claimed AGI.

Who's claiming it now? All I see is a paper slagging GPT4 for struggling in tests that no one ever claimed it could pass.

In any case, if it were possible to bet $1000 that 90%+ of those tests will be passed within 10 years, I'd be up for that.

(I guess I should read the paper more carefully first, though, to make sure he's not feeding it unsolved Hilbert problems or some other crap that smart humans wouldn't be able to deal with. My experience with these sweeping pronouncements is that they're all about moving the goalposts as far as necessary to prove that nothing interesting is happening.)

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by gexla »

two_in_one wrote: post #389

The main question is what to expect from OpenAI now? No changes very unlikely, that would mean it was just a power grab. So two options remain: more open, more closed. How about slow down and open up? Hope they wouldn't dumb down GPT4. If they allow to use their models to generate training sets (which is prohibited now, AFAIK), that would be nice.

My guess is that the immediate roadmap has already been locked in up to X months out. So, we'll likely never know what the "changes" will be. Short term changes are likely still Altman's work. Long term is the next decision maker.

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #366

Here's my preferred theory, it's a tale as old as time. Sam Altman, like Icarus, flew too close to Microsoft's giant pot of money. He pivoted the company away from it's founding mission, unleashing the very djinn they originally set out to harness. Turns out there were people at OpenAI who really believed in the original vision.

Or was it that he's been seen trying to raise money for an AI chip startup to compete with Nvidia or was courting SoftBank for a multibillion-dollar investment in a new company to make AI-oriented hardware with Jony Ive?

A lot of his current external activities could worry the board - and if he wasn't candid about future plans I can see why they might sack him.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by kzrdude »

drcode wrote: post #58
cardine wrote: post #5

I wonder if Sam knew he was going to lose this power struggle and then started working on an exit plan with people loyal to him behind the boards back. The board then finds out and rushes to kick him out ASAP to stop him from using company resources to create a competitor.

Now that is a theory that actually adds up with the facts (whether true or not)

Brockman immediately said "don't worry, great things are coming", which also seems to line up.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by weare138 »

chipgap98 wrote: post #120
Mistletoe wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t you think it’s more likely you don’t know the whole story yet?

It has basically been confirmed https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

If the allegations concerning Sam are true then this could all be for damage control. It is in OpenAI's best interest that information isn't released to the public and it's in Sam's best interest to keep his mouth shut about it if the allegations are true. The timing and abruptness of everything is highly suspicious. Even Microsoft was out of the loop on this which again is very strange if this was just an issue over corporate strategy and vision.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by edgyquant »

fsociety wrote: post #369
mvkel wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually, sure. Right now, today, they have a blank check for compute and all the money they could ask for. It's not the time to try to monetize if AGI is the mission. Complete distraction

AGI at all costs sounds more terrifying than monetizing ChatGPT. Seems like there could have been a balance to strike.

They are a non-profit specifically founded to build AI, not to become a profitable company and chase revenue

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by seydor »

smharris65 wrote: post #239
convexstrictly wrote: post #13

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

Some insider details that seem to agree with this: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126/

We cant trust what we read. But last year's "Altman World Tour" where he met so many world leaders around the world felt a bit over the top, and maybe it got into his head
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