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Very unprofessional way to approach this disagreement.
If you know anything about Ilya, it's definitely not out of character.
what are you referring to
Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Sure, I get that, but to handle a disagreement over money in such a consequential fashion just doesn't make sense to me. They must have understood that to arrive in a position where they have to fire the CEO with little warning is going to have profound consequences, perhaps even existential ones.
AGI is existential. That's the whole point, I think. If they can get to AGI, then building an LLM app store is such a distraction along the path that any reasonable person would look back and laugh at how cute an idea it was, despite how big or profitable it feels today.
It's a distraction only if you are not an effective altruist. To build AGI (so that all humans can benefit) you need money, so this was a way to make money so they could FINALLY be spent on the goal of AGI. /s
I think the next AGI startup should perhaps try the communist revolution route, since the capitalist-based one didn't pan out. After all, Lenin was a pioneer in effective altruism. /s
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
#363Earlier quoted context omitted.
boards give reasons for transparency, and they said he had not been fully candid. You are interpreting that as hostile and aggressive because you are reading into it what other boards have said in other disputes and whatever you are imagining, but if the board learned some things not from Altman that it felt they should have learned from Altman, less than candid is a completely neutral way to describe it, and voting…
> You are interpreting that as hostile and aggressive because you are reading into it Uhh no, I'm seeing it as hostile and aggressive because the actual verbiage was hostile and aggressive, doubly so in the context of this being a formal corporate statement. You can pass the text into NLP sentiment analyzer and it too will come to the same conclusion. It is also very telling that you are being very sarcastic and deme…
When you look at the written word and find yourself consistently imputing clear intent which is hostile, aggressive, sarcastic, and demeaning which no one else but you sees, a thoughtful person would begin to introspect.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
#364Yso
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Strategy disagreements are absolutely central reasons to fire executives.
But you don’t accuse of them of lying on the way out because you have a strong disagreement. That’s a guaranteed ticket to a very expensive lawsuit. Either there’s more to it or the board is staffed by very naive people.
> But you don’t accuse of them of lying on the way out because you have a strong disagreement.
You do if part of the way that they attempted to win the internal power struggle resulting from the disagreemtn was lying to the board to avoid having their actions which lacked majority support from being thwarted.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
#366Here's my preferred theory, it's a tale as old as time. Sam Altman, like Icarus, flew too close to Microsoft's giant pot of money. He pivoted the company away from it's founding mission, unleashing the very djinn they originally set out to harness. Turns out there were people at OpenAI who really believed in the original vision.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Judging from this interview, I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for more openness. Ilya seems to be against open sourcing models on the grounds that they may be too powerful. Good thing no one asked him to invent a wheel, after all people could travel too fast for their own safety.
Maybe. We’re also not open sourcing DNA from viruses, how to build nuclear weapons or 3D printing weapons. I think there is an argument to be made that not every powerful LLM should be open source. But yes- maybe we’re worried about nothing. On the other hand, these tools can easily spread misinformation, increase animosity, etc, Even in todays world. I come from the medical field, and we make risk-analyses there to…
Nuclear weapons are open sourced already. The trick was to acquire the means to make it without being sanctioned to hell.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Don’t you think it’s more likely you don’t know the whole story yet?
It has basically been confirmed https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255
There is plenty of indications about the nature of the disagreement, but that doesn't tell you what conduct did or did not occur as factions (including the one whose leading members have been ousted) sought to win the dispute.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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Commercialization is innovation. Without it they will end up with a cute toy and a bankrupt company.
Eventually, sure. Right now, today, they have a blank check for compute and all the money they could ask for. It's not the time to try to monetize if AGI is the mission. Complete distraction
AGI at all costs sounds more terrifying than monetizing ChatGPT. Seems like there could have been a balance to strike.
Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?
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If you know anything about Ilya, it's definitely not out of character.
Having read up on some background not sure I want this guy in charge of any kind of superintelligence.
Well, I definitely wouldn't want Altman in charge of any superintelligence, so "I'm not sure" would be an improvement, if I expected an imminent superintelligence.