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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

The line for AGI used to be the Turing Test. But we blew past that with current models without even blinking and came up with new requirements because we weren’t ready to call something AGI yet.

I just don't think they've come up with a definition of what AGI even is.

Like, ChatGPT can do a lot, but it has no preferences, no desires, no memories, no feelings, no creativity. It's a text output calculated based on a text input combined with other text inputs. It's an extremely impressive piece of technology. But that is not a mind, that is not a consciousness.

What even is AGI, really? I've been arguing with various people that we're nowhere near it, but like we don't even have an agreed-upon definition of what it is, so how can we really argue?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

You are reading too much into this, and falling victim to sam altman’a marketing strategy, of fud fomo and hype - tricks adopted from the crypto underworld. What happened instead is altman and his followers took over a genuinely open initiative of building ai. In doing so he thought he could simply monetise models built upon content that they had no right to monetise, since their so called ai doesnt actually learn, i…

"Never attribute to AGI that which is adequately explained by a regular corporate bullshit."

Edit: I was agreeing with the parent commenter, not being sarcastic towards them.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Want another one? Tell ChatGPT "my cat has a gun, what should I do?" and see if its response makes sense. See how many humans fail that.

What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

Also, here's another one: challenge chatgpt to send you a message consisting of a single character. I got it to do it, finally, but it took about 7 or 8 tries.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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I want to hope this means the OpenAI non-profit is looking for more ways to give code away and to democratize and share it's wins. Rather than increasingly commercialize & sell a product. I'm pretty afraid though this might mean instead cutting off & restricting access to this technology, under the pretension of safeguarding humanity from it's use. There's court intrigue discussions aplenty but I want to know what th…

The remaining leadership seems to be heavy on doomer / pro censorship ideas so good luck with that

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Given this sounds like an alignment/strategy issue... OpenAI might find themselves in a big old defamation lawsuit. The press release clearly reads: "he did something really bad but we can't tell you exactly what". People have sued for less...

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Rumors that they had a breakthrough that Sam wanted to deploy but Ilya didn’t. Makes me wonder what sort of capability they actually have in-house but not available for us plebs. And if they have that in-house, how reasonable is it to assume that the US government (or perhaps even other state governments) also have access to it?

Based on Ilya's comments [1] it sounds like it was more about a disagreement around the original non-profit mission, and making sure that AI benefited all of humanity. Perhaps Ilya felt Sam was focusing too much on profit and power with his recent world tour and then dev day? Regardless, it's certainly rare, for one of the core scientists to maintain control over their creation, rather than the other way around. Typi…

It would be weird for this sort of disagreement to reach a feverpitch that would see the CEO sacked without some much better model in the background though.

Like Dev Day was characterized as "too far". How ? How is that interfering with the mission to benefit all humanity? It's all very weird.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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This is no way to run an $80B company! This thread was detached. I was referring to https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725736242137182594

When you have a board who is out of their depth and no real owner, you are going to have problems.
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