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Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by whatyesaid »

late2part wrote: post #53
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #17

Ilya is the center of Open AI. Everyone else is dispensable.

I'm ignorant and don't disagree - can you say more about why Ilya is the core of Open AI?

Ilya is one of the most cited ML researchers in the world and was part of papers that pioneered basic techniques that we still use today like Dropout.

Ilya was recruited by Elon under the original OpenAI. But basically Elon and the original people got scammed by Sam since what they gave money for got reversed, almost none of their models now are open and they became for-profit instead of non-profit. You'd think aspects like closed models are defendable due to safety but in reality there are just slightly weaker models that are fully open.

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Post by jprete »

gizmo wrote: post #20

Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement is totally unprofessional. sama got accused of serious misconduct. Even if he was too eager to commercialize OpenAIs tech that doesn't come close to justifying this circus act.

Strategy disagreements are absolutely central reasons to fire executives.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by rirarobo »

synergy20 wrote: post #85

As far as I can tell, it eventually boils down to this: Ilya is jealous. After all Sam took all the spot lights away from him who actually made the model behind OpenAI. It's human nature. OpenAI can continue without Sam, but not without Ilya for the moment. On the other hand, Sam could have been a little more "humble".

I don't think Ilya is jealous, I think he just fundamentally is more devoted to the original non-profit mission, and the AI research.

Sam is a VC guy who has been going on a world tour to not just get in the spotlight, but to actually accumulate power, influence, and more capital investment.

At some point, this means Ilya no longer trusts that Sam is actually devoted to the original mission to benefit all of humanity. So, I think it's a little more complicated than just being "jealous".

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Post by kcb »

malwarebytess wrote: post #196

Ilya Sutskever really seems to think AGI's birth is impending and likely to be delivered at OpenAI. From that perspective it makes sense to keep capital at arms length. Is there anything to his certainty? It doesn't feel like it's anywhere close.

What I don't understand though is, doesn't that birth require an extreme amount of capital?

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Post by epistasis »

scrps wrote: post #126
convexstrictly wrote: post #13

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

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I typically interpret "pissing match" to be a power struggle based off of competition unrelated to the core business. It sounds like the "disagreement" you are responding to asserts the exact opposite of that. Are you saying that there can be no credibility to the assertion that there were substantive differences about the non-profit nature of OpenAI?

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Post by mvkel »

fsckboy wrote: post #166
mvkel wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mmmmm no. Kara is a bonafide journalist. Her sources are v real and authenticated for the things she shares.

authentication means finding a 2nd source. This reddit comment could be primary, armed with that it's not hard for Kara to find somebody inside to say "yes, accurate." That is real journalism.

Not according to Kara Swisher it isn't.

https://x.com/maggienyt/status/1578074773174771712?s=46&t=k_...

I know it's convenient to dUnK on journalism these days but this is Kara Fucking Swisher. Her entire reputation is on the line if she gets these little things wrong. And she has a hell of a reputation

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by smharris65 »

convexstrictly wrote: post #13

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

Some insider details that seem to agree with this: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126/

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by user432678 »

icelancer wrote: post #149
gkanai wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if sama and gdb raised $10B by early 2024, all of the GPU production capacity is already allocated years out. They'd have to buy some other company's GPUs at insane markups. And that's only on the hardware side.

Jensen/CoreWeave/Lambda/etc will ensure sama gets what he needs.

Yeah, and then they will do what? Type the model learning data by memory? Run stolen python scripts? How exactly this hardware supposed to be used?
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