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Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

GreedClarifies wrote: post #711

I have a theory. Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not…

A least let some idealism exist in this world otherwise we'd all be owned by corporations. It is not always about money.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by SkyPuncher »

GreedClarifies wrote: post #711

I have a theory. Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not…

> Imagine you worked at OpenAI and you just found out that your shares could have been worth a tremendous amount and now their future is, at best, uncertain.

I don't think this is as damning as you think.

I truly believe, especially in this space, there are enough idealists to fill the seats. The reality for a lot of people could quite literally be:

* My shares become massively valuable via some unlikely non-profit to for-profit means. I have generational wealth, but all of my friends and colleagues still need to work. Someone else will create something better and screw the entire world over.

* I work for a non-profit that's creating the most radical, life changing software for all people. Being a non-profit means this company can focus on being the best thing possible for humanity. While I may still have to work, I will be working in a world where everything is happier and more properous.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by acyou »

I don't know Sam Altman, but have listened to him speak a number of times on Youtube and I can hear the excitement, nervousness and confidence in his voice, including on Dev Day. He is human like the rest of us.

We humans cannot rest. We cannot stay where we are and stagnate. We must keep pushing forward. Sam has and is clearly helping with that mission, AGI or no, regulatory capture or no.

We cannot linger here, we must move on, into the future, as much as we would like to freeze time or change things back to the way they were.

Sucks to have the rug pulled out from under you, that much I can empathize with.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by rabbits77 »

A parsimonious explanation is that Altman fabricated progress and/or was covering up serious flaws in the system. Consider the recent revelation of Cruise’s use of human pilots for “driverless” cars. Does OpenAI have an army of “mechanical turks” in a massive call center somewhere?

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

(not directly related) Wow, i just asked google bard, and it already said something about the firing of Sam Altman. How is that possible? Is that some plug-in, or is the LLM updated continuously?

> why was sam altman fired from openai?

Sam Altman, the co-founder and CEO of OpenAI, was fired on November 17, 2023, after the company's board determined that he had not been consistently candid in his communications with them. The company did not provide specific details about Altman's alleged lack of candor, but it said that his actions had "hindered the board's ability to exercise its responsibilities."

Altman's departure from OpenAI came as a surprise to many in the tech industry, given the company's recent success under his leadership. OpenAI had developed several groundbreaking AI technologies, including the popular ChatGPT chatbot, and Altman had been a vocal advocate for the responsible development of AI.

In a statement released shortly after his firing, Altman said that he respected the board's decision and that he was proud of his time at OpenAI. He also said that he was looking forward to new opportunities in the future.

The reasons for Altman's firing remain somewhat unclear, but it is likely that his lack of candor with the board was a serious breach of trust. The board's decision to remove him as CEO suggests that they believed that he was no longer the right person to lead the company.

Altman's firing is a reminder of the importance of transparency and accountability in corporate leadership. CEOs have a responsibility to be open and honest with their boards, and they must be held accountable for their actions.

> could chatgtp have fired sam altman?

No, ChatGPT could not have fired Sam Altman. ChatGPT is a large language model, and it is not capable of taking actions in the real world such as firing someone. Only the board of directors of OpenAI had the authority to fire Altman.

It is possible that ChatGPT could have been used to generate evidence that was used to fire Altman. For example, if Altman had been using ChatGPT to communicate with the board, the board could have analyzed those communications to look for evidence of dishonesty. However, even in this case, ChatGPT would not have been the one making the decision to fire Altman. The decision would have ultimately been made by the board of directors.

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Post by topspin »

stolsvik wrote: post #626

This totally business-as-usual post from Greg Brockman happened 1 hour before the one from OpenAI: https://x.com/gdb/status/1725595967045398920 https://x.com/openai/status/1725611900262588813 How crazy is that?! (Edit 2 minutes after) .. and /there/ Greg quit!! https://x.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559

X links abound throughout this 1700+ comment thread.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by GreedClarifies »

GreedClarifies wrote: post #711

I have a theory. Ilya has always seemed like he was idealistic and I’m guessing that he was the reason for OpenAI’s very strange structure. Ilya is the man when it comes to AI so people put up with his foolishness. Adam D'Angelo is, like Ilya, an amazing computer science talent who may have shared Ilya’s idealistic notions (in particular OpenAI is non-profit, unless forced to be capped profit and is categorically not…

Boy, if this is about Ilya being upset that Sam was in the spotlight or about revenue sharing of GPTs … well that’s strange. I would have expected more from such an influential company.

I hope that reporting is wrong.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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Post by P_I_Staker »

baidifnaoxi wrote: post #405

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

It is a personal scandal and I thought it was obvious from the press release.

Prior to the Reddit comments, I thought this might be the case, but perhaps I was somehow influenced. Actually, I thought it would be something inappropriate in the workplace.

His sister says he molested her when he was a teenager.

The way these things break, I’m not surprised it went down that way. Here’s what I thought reading the release: “They had to fire him before deciding on what to actually say eg. to formally accuse him”

It seemed like signaling that this is someone firing him kinda desperately. When you discover a diddler theres some weird shit when people panic and suddenly drop catapult them out of their lives… they just start leaping out of moving cars and shit to get away.

Keep in mind there could be ongoing investigations, definitely strategies being formed. They can get to a point in an investigation where they’re virtually 100% he molested his sister, but can’t really prove it yet. What they do have is irrefutable evidence of lying about something incredibly serious. Gets him out of the building and powers stripped today.

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