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You also need to have 2.5GB capable hardware in all of your home devices though.
No, you don’t. You do need it only if you want to pull 2.5gigs on one device.
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Can you say what country?
With Digi in Spain 10G is €5 more than 1G - https://www.digimobil.es/fibra-optica/
Anyway, I hadn’t paid attention and yes turns out consumer hardware support is a bottleneck, not the actual ISP which is nuts. Seems like someone fell asleep at the wheel – I suspect people are gonna have a wake up once >1G becomes widespread – not even their new fancy motherboard will support it. It feels like for ages, it’s been the opposite - you buy hardware that is prepared for the future or at least the present. At least that’s how it’s been with SATA etc..
For instance, the cheapest NIC is like $75 and the router can only do 10G on one port. Wifi6 does not get near those speeds either and even so laptops have to be very new (even my M1 does not have full support for the 802.11ax thingy - partner’s M2 was at least able to pull ~1.6 Gbit/s). Switches and routers are premium priced.
However, I was very impressed with the silent progression of cat cables, they’re just better and better ever iteration, backwards compatible and dirt cheap. Got a cat8 which is way, way more than I need for like €1/meter. And they’re flat and easy to pull long distances. Beautiful tech!
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You should not be surprised. A lot of us are DIYers, and see no need to pay someone to do something we can do ourselves. Running low-voltage ethernet through an attic or crawlspace is within the skills of anyone with functioning limbs. There is zero reason to pay someone to do it. I don't really understand people who pay others to do every little thing they need done around the house, but I suppose they have differen…
> I don't really understand people who pay others to do every little thing they need done around the house I realized that it is cheaper for me to pay someone do some things than doing them myself. Instead, I can either work or do something fun or more interesting.
I think that's the key point really. For someone with even a mild interest in this stuff, the task of running ethernet cables is very approachable and feasible. At that point the time spent on it is a plus instead of a minus, and paying someone else is no longer competitive.
I didn't care about that, I cared about what someone in this thread said, it's amazing that you can plug a 10Mbit hub in and have it work with 100mbit, Gbit, etc.
In my mind, it was all about the packet format, if they are the same then we get cheap switches. And that is what we have today, I saw this coming around 1990.
And for you guys hating on the 1500 bytes, the SGI memory interconnect taught me that bigger is not better. When you are doing cache misses remotely, big is not good. I'm doing a shit job explaining but there is some value in smaller.
If you guys want, I'll try and write it up.
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Should I be surprised that the reactions posted here range from "I stretched a cable across the ceiling like two tin cans and a string" to "I will fly a drone into my attic". Instead of: "I took my $500k/year tech salary which I formerly spent on Teslas and cardboard apartments and just hired a competent electrician or other tradesman to pull cable to every room."
You should not be surprised. A lot of us are DIYers, and see no need to pay someone to do something we can do ourselves. Running low-voltage ethernet through an attic or crawlspace is within the skills of anyone with functioning limbs. There is zero reason to pay someone to do it. I don't really understand people who pay others to do every little thing they need done around the house, but I suppose they have differen…
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Think more like 2400 or 9600 bps actually :)
True--I was talking more towards the end of the use of coax for Ethernet, which was also the peak of the dialup days.
At college we used to have rooms with 24 X-terminals with 1280x1024 screens - huge for the day. All on one single shared 10mbit!
And wow it was speedy. Because all we did was locally rendered motif window managers, locally rendered fonts and widgets etc. Windows weren't moved animated but just the border was shown while moving.
Fast forward to the 56k days and everyone was running mosaic and netscape scrolling to pages loaded with bitmap images, scrolling marquee text (server rendered usually) and animated under construction images. It was anything but speedy at that point - lol.
From that point onwards things moved on really fast.
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> Plus the average internet connection isn't just streaming a video. It's kids watching online videos while adults are video conferencing and music is being streamed in the background. Probably with games being downloaded and software getting updated too. That's exactly the scenario I gave where 2.5G WAN would be useful, but a 1G LAN to each machine is likely enough for most tasks, for most people - multiple users si…
> That's exactly the scenario I gave where 2.5G WAN would be useful, but a 1G LAN to each machine... You're moving goal posts now because your original comment, the one that sparked this discussion, neither mentioned 2.5G WAN nor that your 1G comment was specific to each machine rather than internet connectivity as a whole. > but a 1G LAN to each machine is likely enough for most tasks, for most people - multiple use…
My original comment, in reply to someone saying "a lot of people already get more than 1G from their ISP" and implying that it's therefore worthwhile to have 2.5GEth on all local devices ends with:
> In this scenario a 2.5G (or 10G) router is all that's really required to get the benefit, while using the existing 20 year old wiring.
I'm sorry if the correlation between having a 2.5G router and having greater than 1G WAN wasn't obvious to you.
Complaining that a quasi backbone link saturates gig eth when my entire point was that single computers are unlikely to need more kind of misses the whole point I was making for an excuse to complain.
I never said no one needs more than gig for anything.
This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…
> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…