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Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by crop_rotation »

CrazyStat wrote: post #187
crop_rotation wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that can be a reason for a step like this. OpenAI can easily charge much more for their products, and there is a market for even extremely high prices (even if not as big) and given this is a non profit, it doesn't even need to make billions of dollars in money.

OpenAI exists both as a nonprofit and, for several years now, as a for-profit company [1] that has taken billions of dollars in investment. It needs to make billions of dollars to return to investors just as much as any other for-profit company does. [1] https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp

The non profit is the majority owner of the for profit, and there is no investor pressure here to make billions.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by lenerdenator »

26fingies wrote: post #177
Geee wrote: post #168

I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT. They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be re…

No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.

Is it?

Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by cyanydeez »

Widdershin wrote: post #115
dekhn wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since he was chair of the board... I'm curious how the rest of the board implemented this.

In the board I served on in the past we had an agreed quorum where we could make binding decisions if ~2/3rds of the members were present. Probably a similar situation.

which makes sense because it'd take 2/3 to implement something if they're unanimous.

just base logic.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by sheepscreek »

Geee wrote: post #168

I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT. They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be re…

Interesting view - I, and many others presumably, would really like more insight into the source and nature of this speculation.

I am not dismissing the possibility, far from it. It sounds very plausible. But are there any credible reports to back it up?

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by duxup »

Quitting like that makes it seem like Greg already knew what was brewing, whatever the conflict was and it came to a head and he made his call. So not a total surprise to him, at least as far as the backstory goes.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by astrange »

markus_zhang wrote: post #194
0xDEF wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one OpenAI board member who has an art degree and is part of some kind of cultish "singularity" spiritual/neo-religious thing. That individual has also never had a real job and is on the board of several other non-profits. What the hell were they thinking? Just because you are a non-profit doesn't mean you should imitate other non-profits and put crazies on the board.

Smells like XYZ agencies, or some white gloves.

No, all native Californians are like this (this just replaces hippie Buddhism with hippie computer worship) and the singularity stuff is the reason OpenAI was founded in the first place. And the reason Elon is mad at them, because they pivoted from it.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by cyanydeez »

Fordec wrote: post #195
bangalore wrote: post #33

How do I profit from this news. Should I buy or sell MSFT?

MSFT stock already dropped a bit before the bell on the news. That may be baked in by faster movers. This is not stock advice but I'm more inclined to sell NVDA as whatever happens next is a distraction and will slow AI market growth and inclined to buy Google as they have an opportunity here to do some poaching. But for clarity sake I'm doing neither personally because I'm not a day trader and look more long term.

if you wanted to day trade, you'd buy msft because this drop is clearly nominally related but the odds that it has a substantive effect is really unlikely. similar stuff happened during Trump's tenure where they just had bots trading on Trump tweets.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by timeon »

zapataband1 wrote: post #136
__loam wrote: post #103

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Are we going to start speculating about insane conspiracy theories now?

CIA has been destabilizing and puppeteering governments around the world. Why are you so steadfastly assured that they wouldn't meddle in the US? Not saying there is proof, but we just found out Ukraine blew up the Russian pipeline so it seems weird to just squash debate at the 'that's too crazy to ever happen'. Way crazier things have happened/are constantly happening.

Is the thing with the pipeline actually confirmed?

Anyway if I was in business of destabilizing governments around the world I would not bother dealing with board meetings. But maybe that's just me.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by crop_rotation »

duxup wrote: post #205

Quitting like that makes it seem like Greg already knew what was brewing, whatever the conflict was and it came to a head and he made his call. So not a total surprise to him, at least as far as the backstory goes.

On the contrary this makes it seem like he was surprised.
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