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Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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I'm having trouble remembering a single time a very high profile CEO has been fired from a company that for all intents and purposes is running laps around competition at the moment...

I assume more info will come out, but it sounds more like a major ethics breach than a business only decision or even a "contentious relationship with the board" decision...

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#602

It doesn't take a genius to figure out they are losing stupid amounts of money, with no major plan to recoup their investments. Board probably took a look at updated burn-rate projections, saw that they have 6 months of runway, saw that they don't have enough GPUs, saw that Llama and Mistral and whatever other open-source models are awesome and run on personal computers, and thought to themselves - why the hell are w…

Feels like something like this plus some deal with microsoft for further funding and sama getting too aggressive with terms and them having him ousted

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#603

I'm having trouble remembering a single time a very high profile CEO has been fired from a company that for all intents and purposes is running laps around competition at the moment... I assume more info will come out, but it sounds more like a major ethics breach than a business only decision or even a "contentious relationship with the board" decision...

Apple

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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For a company that's executing so well (at least from an outside perspective), shipping so fast, growing so fast, and so ahead of the curve in arguably the hottest segment of the tech market, at this moment, to do this right now, means this must be REALLY bad.

Or, Sam really was the last key thing restraining AI capabilities from exploding upwards, and the AI just engineered his departure.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#605

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

It could also be related to a conflict of interests (or unreasonable use of OpenAI resources) with his other Ventures and investments which he failed to disclose?

This is the most likely. Also considering Humane recently announced their AI Pin and Sam has a large stake in that company.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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post #301

Put the pieces together: Nov 6 - OpenAI devday, with new features of build-your-own ChatGPT and more Nov 9 - Microsoft cuts employees off from ChatGPT due to "security concerns" [0] Nov 9 - OpenAI experiences severe downtime the company attributes to a "DDoS" (not the correct term for 'excess usage') [3] Nov 15 - OpenAI announce no new ChatGPT plus upgrades [1] but still allow regular signups (and still do) Nov 17 -…

If there is an incident where people can see other's people chats there are two possibilities:

-It's a server issue, meaning someone fucked up their javascript and cached a session key or something. It's a minor thing; could get the specific dev fired in the worst case, and it is embarrassing, but it is solvable.

-it's inherent to how the AI works, and thus it is impossible to share a ChatGPT server with someone else without sooner or later leaking knowledge. It would mean the company cannot scale at all cause they'd need to provide each client their own separate server instance.

If this was something Sam knew and kept it from the board, that'd be fireable. And it'd be catastrophic, cause it'd mean no useable product until a solution is found.

I'd somehow doubt it is something like this, but if we see security issues and private chats that keep leaking, it is a possibility.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#607

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

Why do people think it has to be some single big incident? Sam Altman has been the head of OpenAI for many years now, while the company has been in intense public spotlight only in the recent few months. The dynamic today is very different from 2019 or whenever he was hired. He also doesn't have any voting shares, which means he is entirely at the mercy of the board. It's entirely possible that they simply don't like the direction he has been taking the company in, and today was more of some minor straw that broke the camel's back situation.

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#608

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

Altman has claimed before that he doesn't hold equity in OpenAI. He could have some kind of more opaque arrangement that gives him a material stake in the financial success of OpenAI, and downplayed it or didn't disclose it to the board. Who knows, though -- I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few weeks, but it's fun to guess.

Worldcoin deserves a look: https://worldcoin.org/

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

#609

- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently - Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity - They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying” The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fir…

Altman has claimed before that he doesn't hold equity in OpenAI. He could have some kind of more opaque arrangement that gives him a material stake in the financial success of OpenAI, and downplayed it or didn't disclose it to the board. Who knows, though -- I'm sure we'll find out more in the next few weeks, but it's fun to guess.

Doesn't everyone at openai have "profit participation units"? https://www.levels.fyi/blog/openai-compensation.html

Re: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman

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post #301

Put the pieces together: Nov 6 - OpenAI devday, with new features of build-your-own ChatGPT and more Nov 9 - Microsoft cuts employees off from ChatGPT due to "security concerns" [0] Nov 9 - OpenAI experiences severe downtime the company attributes to a "DDoS" (not the correct term for 'excess usage') [3] Nov 15 - OpenAI announce no new ChatGPT plus upgrades [1] but still allow regular signups (and still do) Nov 17 -…

further edit: found this comment on reddit [0][1] which also seems to line up:

> I feel compelled as someone close to the situation to share additional context about Sam and company.

> Engineers raised concerns about rushing tech to market without adequate safety reviews in the race to capitalize on ChatGPT hype. But Sam charged ahead. That's just who he is. Wouldn't listen to us.

> His focus increasingly seemed to be fame and fortune, not upholding our principles as a responsible nonprofit. He made unilateral business decisions aimed at profits that diverged from our mission.

> When he proposed the GPT store and revenue sharing, it crossed a line. This signaled our core values were at risk, so the board made the tough decision to remove him as CEO.

> Greg also faced some accountability and stepped down from his role. He enabled much of Sam's troubling direction.

> Now our former CTO, Mira Murati, is stepping in as CEO. There is hope we can return to our engineering-driven mission of developing AI safely to benefit the world, and not shareholders.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/17xoact/sam_altman_...

[1] take it with a grain of salt

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