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Re: Unauthorized "David Attenborough" AI clone narrates developer's life, goes viral

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Courts and lawyers will do a bad job, and also the best job out of every option available. As it has been for 100 years.

Voice cloning seems much harder to regulate with copyright than most other issues because 1) there's a continuous spectrum of vocal similarity 2) the tools of voice cloning are available to hundreds of millions of people 3) there may be several real individuals who could claim a voice similar to David Attenborough was also similar to theirs. Using trademarks seems like a more realistic means of regulation. Allowing D…

Didn't courts already rule that AI art is not infringing on the original works that it was trained on.

I doubt that people are gonna be satisfied with the same voices, instead you will end up with David Attenborough mixed with Morgan Freeman and Patrick Steward.

I can't wait to hear the new compelling ads using this technology and I anticipate the scandal when people realize that one of the very charismatic voices belongs to an Austrian who was born in 1933 because I guarantee that his voice will end up in the training data.

Here is an idea for someone who like playing with this stuff, personalized entertainment. Pop songs sung by a voice that is a mix of Shakira, Brittany Spears and Lady Gaga, written by Chat GPT-4.

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None of that is relevant to this discussion. We are talking about someone who spent time growing a skill and is charging people who want him to use that skill for whatever they are hiring them for.

nurple said: "their creation is held behind legal walls in order to create, by definition, an artifical scarcity from which it derives its monetary value" In my example "their creation" is a textbook, and "legal walls" would be copyright/DMCA. There is also Getty/Universal Music/etc. attempting to enforce artificial scarcity in an area where real scarcity existed (in addition to plenty of artificial scarcity) but is…

I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity. I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work.

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When I see a lot of this voice replication I am reminded of something. (Dune series spoiler) For example, Duncan Idaho keeps being brought back with cloning tech, over and over, for centuries, because Leto II just likes him. Over and over, the same man keeps being put by the (nearly) immortal emperor's side... I ask: are we stuck as a monoculture, not making new, interesting things, but simply replicating older ones?…

Related: "hauntology" Mark Fisher didn't create this word, but he wrote a lot in the 2000s about our inability to imagine a new future after the failure of our previous visions. Using electronic music - a "future-looking" genre - as an example, he wrote (second paragraph explains it more generally): "...Twenty-first-century electronic music had failed to progress beyond what had been recorded in the twentieth century…

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Re: Unauthorized "David Attenborough" AI clone narrates developer's life, goes viral

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I've always though that "Duncan Idaho" is the silliest name in all of science fiction.

Sillier than 'Hero Protagonist'? e: or Ford Prefect ?

The latter is simply genius.

Re: Unauthorized "David Attenborough" AI clone narrates developer's life, goes viral

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nurple said: "their creation is held behind legal walls in order to create, by definition, an artifical scarcity from which it derives its monetary value" In my example "their creation" is a textbook, and "legal walls" would be copyright/DMCA. There is also Getty/Universal Music/etc. attempting to enforce artificial scarcity in an area where real scarcity existed (in addition to plenty of artificial scarcity) but is…

I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity. I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work.

> I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity

It's allocating resources towards preventing distribution. Maybe you'd agree that it's "direct" artificial scarcity, but believe without that necessary artificial scarcity we'd soon become worse off overall?

> I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work.

Sure - but you see that is not inherently the same thing as the specific method of profit extraction through requiring payment per access to the book/image/music/..., right? An artist receiving donations or public funding for releasing their work to everyone under a permissive license is still profiting from their work, for example. I'm not necessarily saying you have to agree that alternative methods are currently feasible in all or most scenarios.

Re: Unauthorized "David Attenborough" AI clone narrates developer's life, goes viral

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Sure, their creation is held behind legal walls in order to create, by definition, an artifical scarcity from which it derives its monetary value. If it was not protected by such a wall, and was not scarce, it would have no monetary value. No, I don't think the inherent value in their talent is artificial, but I _do_ think that the monetary system we've built around such things as a necessity to survive in our modern…

>Sure, their creation is held behind legal walls in order to create, by definition, an artifical scarcity from which it derives its monetary value. If it was not protected by such a wall, and was not scarce, it would have no monetary value. That's... not artificial scarcity. By definition (and using your own words) it is actual scarcity. A person's performance -- which is more than just their voice reading lines -- i…

Allow me to share my own recent predicament, on which I'm still deeply cogitating, and from where a lot of my own frustration flows.

I am a content creator, I write software and build compute systems to run it upon. I was RIF'd last week and, if I'm really conservative, I have a year of expenses in savings.

I very much believe in OSS exactly because it allows me, not to tap into a monetary stream, but to overall better our human community by sharing my work. IMO, this is a core and fundamental belief of OSS and it frustrates me to no end to see articles like "OSS is going to die without funding", the two concepts are diametrically opposed.

So many, yourself included, have this perverted view of the world where there's no way it could exsist without our current monetary system, no alternative that would be more efficient, more fair, more equitable. I just refuse to believe that's the case.

I do not bemoan other content creators their right to generate monetary revenue from their creations, in fact they have no choice. But that doesn't preclude my opinion that it should change.

Indeed, what do I do now? I have 1 year to create a revenue stream off of which my family and I can live, or I need to go back to an industry that has corroded my soul in ways that sometimes make me wonder if it's even worth it anymore.

The most effective path for me to generate sustained revenue is to abandon my desire to improve humanity by sharing and turn selfishly inward, all or in part, to create a Rube-Goldbergian golem of artificial scarcity around my "content". I have to build a payment system, I have to protect the code at rest and at runtime, I have to build licensing and consider segmentation, I have to market, I have to build systems around revoking access to those who lose their own monetary stream and deal with their data, etc, etc, etc.

I know what it takes to build whole companies around systems like this, I've done it from the ground up on more than one ocassion to great success (at least for those who held the keys to the artifical scarcity doors that they paid me to build in front of my own work), and if there's anything that feels like more of a waste of my life than playing technobabel whisperer to clueless middle and upper-management, is considering building something like that again, even if I'm the ultimate keyholder this time.

In a world where we do not have to fight like dogs for table scraps, all of this wasted time and effort falls away, and instead all of us content creators who skulk through it for the love of craft, can instead focus solely on the betterment of our community as a whole. We live in a world with the resources to realize a reality like this, but IMO we have all been blinded by a masterful twisting of our inbuilt self-preservation instinct by the ultimate farce in artifical scarcity: money.

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I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity. I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work.

> I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity It's allocating resources towards preventing distribution. Maybe you'd agree that it's "direct" artificial scarcity, but believe without that necessary artificial scarcity we'd soon become worse off overall? > I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work. Sure - but you see that is not inherently the same thing as the specific me…

Sure, I'd agree selling access is not the only method but given that there is a story on the front page of HN about once a week about why open-source maintainers should be paid and how the current model isn't sustainable, in my opinion shows, that relying on donations or public funding is a fool's errand and not a viable alternative.

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Even though it is going to be extremely painful, one thing that excites me most about AI is the distinct possibility that it obliterates the concept of artificial scarcity that so much of the world relies on to create money these days. IMO, AI is exposing the frail and unnatural aspect of this legally-protected rent seeking. No, I don't think the legal system will be able to keep up, and I also don't think the infoli…

So now we’re just applying incel logic to every aspect of human creativity and expression? Do you also think that people refusing to make adult content of themselves for you is “legally protected rent seeking”?

This comment is unnecessarily rude and off-topic. Of course there's a difference between human labour and easily-replicable things.

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Have you tried to get a GPT to write a joke? It’s got a ways to go.

I read this recently. I can't vouch for the source and I haven't researched it. https://time.com/6301288/the-ai-jokes-that-give-me-nightmare...

The author just casually glosses over this point and never returns to it

> One of the reasons I find these programs scary is that they seem to want to murder humans. They talk about it a lot, even when you ask them to be nice.

Re: Unauthorized "David Attenborough" AI clone narrates developer's life, goes viral

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nurple said: "their creation is held behind legal walls in order to create, by definition, an artifical scarcity from which it derives its monetary value" In my example "their creation" is a textbook, and "legal walls" would be copyright/DMCA. There is also Getty/Universal Music/etc. attempting to enforce artificial scarcity in an area where real scarcity existed (in addition to plenty of artificial scarcity) but is…

I don't see copyright or a record label as artificial scarcity. I think the artist should have every right to profit from their work.

No given individual has 'every right' to anything.

Virtually everything we humans do was inaugurated by those who came before, and our wholesale, liberal replication of those prior actions defines our very existence.

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