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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Someone1234 »

mmcnl wrote: post #213
Someone1234 wrote: post #210

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That isn't what is expensive. If you get 10 GB, the question is, then what? I have bidirectional 1 GB plugged into a $200 EdgeSwitch, which then feeds Cat 6 throughout the home ($100/500 feet). This then filters down to $20-30 unmanaged 1 GB switches elsewhere. The whole thing is under $500. If I wanted to go up to 10 GB I don't just need to change to a $2K~ EdgeSwitch, I also need to run fiber/6E to be able to deliv…

Correction: you can usually run 10Gbit/s over CAT5e if the cables are not too long, so you probably won't need to replace your cables. But the hardware is indeed expensive.

That isn't a correction, that is pedantry. Nobody is going to spend $100/month and thousands on equipment and then run their 10 Gbit/s network on 5e. The lengths to remain stable won't even bridge floors of a home let alone from end-to-end.

If it was free in terms of equipment, you might have a point. Since then 10 GB is just a "bonus" but it isn't, or even close. So you'd be cheaping out on the final 10% of the cost.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by skullone »

KaiserPro wrote: post #115
eqvinox wrote: post #41

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Jumbo frames are not a thing on the internet. The internet has fossilized at 1500 byte MTU.

> The internet has fossilized at 1500 byte MTU. the internet has a whole bunch of non ethernet stuff, a lot of which has different frame sizes. Its totally possible that backhaul is running jumbo frames, or something like it, but you'd never really know that. Conversely ADSL has odd frame sizes(inherited from ATM; 48 bytes if I remember correctly), but you don't see that because its hidden from you. Cable has a frame…

I wouldn't call them "frame sizes" for ATM or DSL. It's a bit of a transparent fragmentation into "cells" onto the "transport" layer. It could carry arbitrary "frame" sizes on that

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Post by petra »

kibwen wrote: post #96
api wrote: post #26

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Sure. The only reason image generators aren't deterministic is that you inject randomness. Set the same random seed, get the same image. Download Stable Diffusion XL and run it locally and try it. There are models that can be run in both directions. Take a source image and generate a token stream prompt for it. That's your compressed image. Now run it forward to decompress. CPU intensive but massive compression ratio…

Well, the value proposition of image formats are 1. transmission, which requires both sender and receiver to have the exact same model, which requires us to standardize on some model and ship it with everything until the end of time, and 2. archival, which would require storing the model alongside the file (which might more than counteract any data saved from improved compression) and would be highly fraught because,…

Most people using using streaming video don't require archival support. The source and the internet archive etc can manage the archival part.

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Post by xen2xen1 »

js2 wrote: post #215
tzs wrote: post #80

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> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

> That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built before 1995 you'd be looking at CAT4 and under 20 Mb/s. I've been dealing with twisted pair cable since the mid-90s and I've never seen Cat 4 cable anywhere, commercial or residential. Cat 5/5e both support GigE. The primary difference between FE and GE with respect to cabling is th…

I thought gigabit required all four pairs, or am I missing part of what you said?

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Post by dataflow »

applied_heat wrote: post #244
dataflow wrote: post #218

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> Considering that you can make > $20/hr flipping burgers in Seattle I'd say you are off by an order of magnitude. No reasonable skilled tradesman (or even unskilled handyman) is doing anything for $20. It's borderline insulting. > They have expenses, fuel, insurance. I think you missed important details in their post: >> tasks I wanted done that would only take someone with the right skills and equipment a few minut…

You shouldn’t do electrical work on someone else’s house. If it burns down and electrical is the cause as an unlicensed uninsured electrician you are going to regret that $20 you made. Coding a web page for a neighbour is different since there are often no ramifications in the physical world if it doesn’t load or look exactly as desired

I'm not claiming it's a good idea for electrical work. I'm just replying to the points in the comment saying it's an insulting wage.

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Post by brazzledazzle »

IshKebab wrote: post #258
brazzledazzle wrote: post #254

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If you're willing to put the work in you can use the coax drops and runs as pulling line for cat, new coax (if you want to keep it) and real pulling line (to leave tied at the top and bottom of each drop if you ever need to run something else). Same idea if you have POTS copper run throughout. Most of the time even the ancient drops and runs have enough space cut out for a number of cables since doing runs is general…

Maybe for plasterboard and timber construction. My house is mostly brick with the coax chased into the wall.

Ah, yeah my advice is definitely for sheet rock/dry wall based dwellings. I think you could manage to replace the coax run through brick with a single cat run though. I would buy and generously use wire pulling lubricant though.

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Post by charlie0 »

graphe wrote: post #227
babypuncher wrote: post #182

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My 4k blu ray rips range between 60 and 100 GB. These would not even be close watchable over 20mb/s. Let's not even talk about how miserable it would be to download modern games over this.

Streaming 20mb/s is more than sufficient for video. I don't transfer 60gb blurays daily so it doesn't matter to me.

Maybe 720P, but I've got 4k Blu ray movies that have peaks of over 200Mb/s when streaming and my device always stutters over those sections.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by charlie0 »

spookthesunset wrote: post #246
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA really doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Everybody always thinks if WiFi repeaters, or Ethernet over power line but MoCA is much faster and more reliable than either of them! It’s perfect for apartments that have cabletv jacks in every room. Just make sure you are using the appropriate wideband splitters and have a filter at the cable demarcation in your dwelling.

MoCA is really expensive. You're better off just hiring someone to wire the house up. Id

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Nihilartikel »

spookthesunset wrote: post #246
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA really doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Everybody always thinks if WiFi repeaters, or Ethernet over power line but MoCA is much faster and more reliable than either of them! It’s perfect for apartments that have cabletv jacks in every room. Just make sure you are using the appropriate wideband splitters and have a filter at the cable demarcation in your dwelling.

I've been happily using the laughably cheap Direct-TV Deca adapters for years now to get 100Mbps ethernet to my detached garage (where of course the previous owners needed coax TV :P), for my smart garage door, wyze cam, and streaming music while mowing. Works like a charm for $20!
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