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Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Sweden GDP is roughly equal to Tesla market cap. It's a fair fight.

This illustrates how ridiculously overvalued Tesla is.

I disagree, it illustrates the current betting market. It doesn't have to do anything with the company as long as the company isn't striken off the market.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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It's crazy what average folks can do when they collectively own the means of production.

. Edit: deleting my comment. didn't add much value to the conversation.

> average folks get fired immediately for not doing their job. A job that they agreed to do.

The point of a union is to be able to push back on your employer, so that fighting for better conditions isn't a special privilege.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Interesting. How is this in Norway? I assume tesla fights union's there also. The culture and value system where union employers and the government is working together is standing really strong in Norway. Could this spread to the Norwegian Market? How big is the Norwegian Market for tesla now? Some years ago it was significant, but I assume the rest of the world is catching up and that its not that important anymore?

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Recent blog post about unions that I found interesting:

>Let’s say a nation is concerned about poverty. So it passes a law that says the rich will have some of their money redistributed to the poor. But instead of a progressive income tax used to fund cash payments to the unfortunate, the government decides that wealthy people who happened to be born in the spring will give their money to poor people whose birthdays are in the summer. Moreover, this redistribution won’t go to anyone who is too poor. You have to already have a job to qualify, and a certain kind of job at that. In fact, you are going to make the poorest of the poor worse off through the policy. Finally, instead of cash payments that they can spend on whatever they actually need, the recipients of aid get gift cards to Bed, Bath, and Beyond.

>I think, regardless of how they feel about the redistribution of wealth, most people would find this to be a pretty stupid policy for reasons that are self-evident. Yet this is similar to how laws protecting organized labor function, which in effect involve the “right” of workers in an industry to form a cartel that prevents other people from being hired by an employer...

https://www.richardhanania.com/p/why-labor-unions-are-evil

I wonder if the highly unionized Swedish economy is part of why Sweden has trouble assimilating immigrants. Native Swedes enforcing a cartel to prevent new arrivals from competing in low-wage occupations.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Solidarity Action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action In Australia, Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United States, and the United Kingdom, solidarity action is theoretically illegal, and strikes can only be against the contractual employer.

How does that even work? I am, and should be, free to not show up to work for any reason I choose. If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?

You can choose not to turn up, but in the UK at least, you may not encourage anyone else to do the same.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Unions span across corporations within business sectors whereas corporate boards do not.

What about Blackrock? Their representatives sit on many boards in a single industry. Same with large VCs. It's not as structured as unions, but each board is not a completely independent entity either.

> What about Blackrock?

This is actually a good point, and is detrimental for similar reasons: concentration of power, reduction of competition and increased fragility of the whole system ("too big to fail").

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The employer benefits the employer. The union benefits the employee, thus providing a balance in the power between employer and employee.

This is the theory. In America, the union benefits the union first, the employee second, and the employer a very distant third if at all.

That’s a pretty broad brush you’re using. My experience is mostly with the IBEW and so won’t be applicable in all cases. But, the employer gets a flexible, locally licensed work force. They can hire as many people as they need off the union book (no need for lengthy recruitment, skill assessment, and compensation negotiation) on demand and they can lay off electricians as a job winds down. Each local contract will be different, but I think it’s common for benefits to be handled by the union as well. Moreover, the union runs its apprenticeship program so they handle a growing and evolving workforce.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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It's crazy what average folks can do when they collectively own the means of production.

. Edit: deleting my comment. didn't add much value to the conversation.

Special kind of privilege to have a union?
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