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Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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The employer benefits the employer. The union benefits the employee, thus providing a balance in the power between employer and employee.

This is the theory. In America, the union benefits the union first, the employee second, and the employer a very distant third if at all.

Sorry. That's just anti-union FUD. Unions are quite cognizant that they don't exist without an employer, employees, and providing value to each.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Important context which I could not find mentioned in TFA: A key reason for the sympathy strikes is that Tesla brought in scabs which is a big no-no in Scandinavian labor markets.

What is a scab? (not the wound)

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Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Solidarity Action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action In Australia, Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United States, and the United Kingdom, solidarity action is theoretically illegal, and strikes can only be against the contractual employer.

How does that even work? I am, and should be, free to not show up to work for any reason I choose. If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?

"If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?"

Not if you signed a contract declaring that you will show up.

So a strike is in one way organised contract breaching - but one that is allowed under certain circumstances under the bigger contract, the state laws (which you accept by being in that state).

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

#55

Good for them. I love to see workers uniting. In this increasingly globalized world, each country is still different. You can't expect swedish workers to accept that you treat them like american workers just because your company is big. I really like this part: > Even postal workers will stop delivering mail to Tesla

It's crazy what average folks can do when they collectively own the means of production.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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Also, in less derogatory terms, "strikebreaker": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker

There's no reason to use that term.

Not insulting people that disagree with you and need the work is a good reason.

Even as a frenchmen, I don't think strikes are sacred.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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I don't actually agree with unions, but not for the "usual" reasons. Unions are a scotch-tape fix to a broken economic system, which gives enormous powers to the capitalistic class at the expense of all others.

The correct solution is to fix the actual system. All large companies should be by constitutional law (controlling) majority owned 1/n by their workers. All this exploitation will disappear because workers will obviously not exploit themselves, but also will be incentivized to work hard for their own future.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solidarity Action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action In Australia, Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United States, and the United Kingdom, solidarity action is theoretically illegal, and strikes can only be against the contractual employer.

How does that even work? I am, and should be, free to not show up to work for any reason I choose. If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?

Well, how much have you continued to your senator?

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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post #23

Important context which I could not find mentioned in TFA: A key reason for the sympathy strikes is that Tesla brought in scabs which is a big no-no in Scandinavian labor markets.

What is a scab? (not the wound)

A person brought in to “stop the bleeding”.

Re: Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at ports in broad boycott move

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I mean, if unions are cartels, then so are corporate boards.

Unions span across corporations within business sectors whereas corporate boards do not.

Yes, board members are strictly segmented by business sector, by law. I mean, god forbid we could have someone on the board on an aerospace company, a car manufacturer, and an internet behemoth! /s
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