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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by bpye »

Spivak wrote: post #232
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Am I missing something? Given most residential equipment tops out at 1G isn't coax better than if ethernet had been ran?

I have 10Gbps between my home server and desktop. Is it overkill? Sure, but I do use my home server for networked storage in Lightroom etc so having it be even slightly faster is nice.

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Post by bitcharmer »

p1esk wrote: post #214
bitcharmer wrote: post #9

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Nah, you're in a very small minority. Most households have few hundred megs at most

You’re probably in US. Meanwhile in Switzerland people are enjoying 25gbps internet: https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/

I'm in the UK. What I stated applies to most countries. Switzerland is a niche.

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Post by michaelmrose »

tzs wrote: post #169
bombcar wrote: post #126

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You can hire someone to run the cable for you, it's not a terribly hard job. The most expensive part is getting out there. So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable. Drones is overthinking it.

> So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable That reminds of an idea I had for an app and/or website. I'm never going to get the time to actually try to make this, so if anyone wants to feel free. I've had small tasks I wanted done that would only take someone with the right skills and equipment a few minutes that I didn't want to DIY either becau…

The problem is that work involves job acquisition, analysis, communication, travel and of course risk to self and risk to property. It's also not repeatable so its basically impossible to earn a living 20 here and there.

It's probably not worth it for anyone you might actually want to hire and doubly so for anything to which substantial chance of liability attaches. It might make more sense as a list of things your friends/neighbors/family could use help with playing up altruism angle and minimizing emphasise on liability. You know more like neighbor helping neighbor. You could also hopefully integrate positive things like sharing things that may still have value eg you upgraded your washing and dryer but the old set are still workable or things to do that others might want to share in so its not all a distributed version of your grandma's chore list.

Incidentally a have a great domain used for a fairly half-assed implementation of a not entirely different idea.

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Post by applied_heat »

dataflow wrote: post #218
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #207

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Considering that you can make > $20/hr flipping burgers in Seattle I'd say you are off by an order of magnitude. No reasonable skilled tradesman (or even unskilled handyman) is doing anything for $20. It's borderline insulting. They have expenses, fuel, insurance. Most charge $100 as a trip fee.

> Considering that you can make > $20/hr flipping burgers in Seattle I'd say you are off by an order of magnitude. No reasonable skilled tradesman (or even unskilled handyman) is doing anything for $20. It's borderline insulting. > They have expenses, fuel, insurance. I think you missed important details in their post: >> tasks I wanted done that would only take someone with the right skills and equipment a few minut…

You shouldn’t do electrical work on someone else’s house. If it burns down and electrical is the cause as an unlicensed uninsured electrician you are going to regret that $20 you made.

Coding a web page for a neighbour is different since there are often no ramifications in the physical world if it doesn’t load or look exactly as desired

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Post by ForkMeOnTinder »

ihattendorf wrote: post #149
ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #138

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> You can't roll out larger packets on the internet. Devil's advocate: why not? We're in the middle of a long-term push for IPv6, and we have interim solutions to help the migration like Teredo tunneling. It's slow going, but we'll get there eventually. Why don't we start a similar global migration to jumbo frames?

What's the backwards compatibility story here? Send out dual 1500/9000 packets? I don't see how that would work for the billions of devices in the wild without replacing everything but maybe there's a better solution that doesn't take 30 years.

IPv6 also required hardware in the wild to be replaced, but that's not a reason to give up and let things ossify. Over the next 30 years most hardware will be landfilled and replaced anyway. Let's get these improvements into the software stack of new devices now, and then let nature take its course.

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Post by spookthesunset »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA really doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Everybody always thinks if WiFi repeaters, or Ethernet over power line but MoCA is much faster and more reliable than either of them!

It’s perfect for apartments that have cabletv jacks in every room. Just make sure you are using the appropriate wideband splitters and have a filter at the cable demarcation in your dwelling.

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Post by stiray »

I had my mileage in wifi/routers development and I will say you just a proverb:

"The one who knows how wireless works, uses cable." ;)

When renovating an apartment I have put a shitload of ethernet sockets everywhere, there is no place in 80m2 apartment, where you would be more than 2m away of nearest (including toilet) and as 4 of them were not enough behind TV, I have added a router there.

Wifi is just a patch if you don't have that option. On fiber, my cost to uplink is 1000/500 for 35 euros / month and I want to use it on clients too.

I have 2.4 and 5GHz turned on, but the LTE is better alternative so no one uses them. I have Mikrotics everywhere and Wave 2 is an option, but really, why bother if the ethernet cable works so much better? Not to even mention PoE (+ injectors).

Physics cant be broken by whatever the current fashion is.

So at the end, if you cant (for whatever reason) use ethernet in apartment and your mobile sucks? Go for the latest trend in wireless. This is not an issue? Use cable, nothing comes close to it.

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Post by aksss »

myself248 wrote: post #184
tzs wrote: post #80

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> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Your details are crazy, especially the drone, but the overall concept is feasible. I did this professionally for years. Wheeled or tracked R/C cars are much easier to control, and can pull a greater force horizontally without losing control. In the 90s it was somewhat standard, especially in office environments with drop ceilings, to use a little 9.6v Tyco Fast Traxx to zip a pullstring across the ceiling grid, then…

> flopped along the ceiling grid wasn’t professional

In a commercial setting at least, it’s not up to code, let alone standards of good workmanship.

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Post by appplication »

spookthesunset wrote: post #246
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA really doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Everybody always thinks if WiFi repeaters, or Ethernet over power line but MoCA is much faster and more reliable than either of them! It’s perfect for apartments that have cabletv jacks in every room. Just make sure you are using the appropriate wideband splitters and have a filter at the cable demarcation in your dwelling.

The problem I’ve found with moca is that every time I’ve tried it (3x now), there’s always something going on behind the walls that ends up completely ruining it. Someone put filters or splitters in, or something to that extent, and it turns out there’s insane packet loss or sub MB speed or it just doesn’t work for some reason.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by spookthesunset »

mmcnl wrote: post #197
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA is great but the downside is that requires two active components. And leveraging PoE becomes impossible. Also, why not replace the coax cable with UTP? Tape some fish tape to your coax cable, and gently pull the coax cable on the other end. Then ape some UTP to the other end of the fish tape and pull again slowly. Pretty easy actually.

True but if you don’t care about another power brick on both ends… it’s a quick, dirty, fast and effective way to bring wired Ethernet to every room with a cable jack.
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