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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by walteweiss »

tzs wrote: post #169
bombcar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can hire someone to run the cable for you, it's not a terribly hard job. The most expensive part is getting out there. So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable. Drones is overthinking it.

> So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable That reminds of an idea I had for an app and/or website. I'm never going to get the time to actually try to make this, so if anyone wants to feel free. I've had small tasks I wanted done that would only take someone with the right skills and equipment a few minutes that I didn't want to DIY either becau…

Haha, I had the very same idea when I needed a similar job to be done. There are many concerns though, as quick $20 could become an evening job (i.e. 3 hours instead of 5 minutes), as some extra info may arise, and you being not qualified enough may think is ‘quick and easy.’

Although in an ideal scenario that’s a really great idea, as quite many people (I believe) may be in need of such services.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by ryandrake »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #199
tzs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Should I be surprised that the reactions posted here range from "I stretched a cable across the ceiling like two tin cans and a string" to "I will fly a drone into my attic". Instead of: "I took my $500k/year tech salary which I formerly spent on Teslas and cardboard apartments and just hired a competent electrician or other tradesman to pull cable to every room."

You should not be surprised. A lot of us are DIYers, and see no need to pay someone to do something we can do ourselves. Running low-voltage ethernet through an attic or crawlspace is within the skills of anyone with functioning limbs. There is zero reason to pay someone to do it.

I don't really understand people who pay others to do every little thing they need done around the house, but I suppose they have different values than I so live and let live...

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by HungSu »

frankjr wrote: post #67
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Another way to get something supposedly more stable than wifi when ethernet cabling is not feasible is to use your house's electric wiring and run data through that. There are kits which offer data rates in gigabits (although based on a few reviews I read the actual speed vary greatly). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa70...

ServeTheHome just published an article about powerline networking

TLDR: It's still bad.

https://www.servethehome.com/over-a-decade-later-powerline-a...

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by therealmarv »

ooterness wrote: post #166
therealmarv wrote: post #98

It's only disappointing that the most common standard nowadays is 1GB/s. I feel like there is a big gap and standards like 2.5GB/s or 5GB/s were somehow ignored and 10GB/s is a big jump up (also price wise)

"B" = Byte "b" = bit The ubiquitous 1000BASE-T form of Ethernet transmits 1 gigabit per second (1 Gb/s).

yes, you are right

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by bluGill »

globular-toast wrote: post #3

I like that it talks about coaxial cable. In case anyone is curious, like I was, twisted-pair cabling is used in practice because it's much cheaper and easier to work with than coax.

Coax is cheaper, or at least was when I used it in 1995. However since coax went from machine to machine it could be more expensive if the machines were not near each other. What killed coax was a problem anywhere took down everyone, and so there were too many problems.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by [deleted] »

ihattendorf wrote: post #149
ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #138

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> You can't roll out larger packets on the internet. Devil's advocate: why not? We're in the middle of a long-term push for IPv6, and we have interim solutions to help the migration like Teredo tunneling. It's slow going, but we'll get there eventually. Why don't we start a similar global migration to jumbo frames?

What's the backwards compatibility story here? Send out dual 1500/9000 packets? I don't see how that would work for the billions of devices in the wild without replacing everything but maybe there's a better solution that doesn't take 30 years.

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Post by graphe »

babypuncher wrote: post #182
graphe wrote: post #100

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Ethernet is switched and under 20Mb/s is more than usable for everything unless you transfer movie files and wait, in which it would take like up a few minutes to watch a video. If you browse it's more than enough.

My 4k blu ray rips range between 60 and 100 GB. These would not even be close watchable over 20mb/s. Let's not even talk about how miserable it would be to download modern games over this.

Streaming 20mb/s is more than sufficient for video. I don't transfer 60gb blurays daily so it doesn't matter to me.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by graphe »

Shaanie wrote: post #163
graphe wrote: post #100

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Ethernet is switched and under 20Mb/s is more than usable for everything unless you transfer movie files and wait, in which it would take like up a few minutes to watch a video. If you browse it's more than enough.

20 Mb/s is terrible. Sure, it'll work in some sense, but I'd go mad if that's the best I could get. A good wifi setup is way better than a cabled 20 Mb/s unless you absolutely need consist and better latency for some reason.

He said hard to reach places. If an old house has CAT4 in the basement, I'll take the lower pings, reliability, and at worst I'll WebDAV. Unless your home server is in the basement I can't see a normal realistic scenario where the data transfer isn't sufficient.

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Post by graphe »

rowanG077 wrote: post #161
graphe wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethernet is switched and under 20Mb/s is more than usable for everything unless you transfer movie files and wait, in which it would take like up a few minutes to watch a video. If you browse it's more than enough.

20Mb/s is enough? Is this a joke? A single youtube full HD stream can reach 7Mb/s. Literallywatching a youtube movie and doing something else will saturate that link. In fact I think it's so low it will negatively impact basic website loading time. Just going to reddit.com loads 18.2 MB of resources. This will take about 8 seconds on your "useable for everything".

20Mb/s isn't 20mbps.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by cortesoft »

tzs wrote: post #169
bombcar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can hire someone to run the cable for you, it's not a terribly hard job. The most expensive part is getting out there. So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable. Drones is overthinking it.

> So keep an eye out for a neighbor who has an electrician doing work and maybe see how much to just move the cable That reminds of an idea I had for an app and/or website. I'm never going to get the time to actually try to make this, so if anyone wants to feel free. I've had small tasks I wanted done that would only take someone with the right skills and equipment a few minutes that I didn't want to DIY either becau…

Isn’t this just taskrabbit?
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