De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon • Hacker News Board

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by tim333 » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #219

gloosx wrote: post #187

I remember the first time I used a Windows system last year after tens of years on Linux/OSX, and it was really a somewhat strange experience: the moment I connected the ethernet cable I was instantly looking at random flashy news articles from another part of the world. Not in the browser, not in some kind of "News" app, but right in my taskbar! The most amazing part is that I did not even have to click on it – the…

> "the system carefully opened it for me to delight me with some low-quality not-even-local news" To be fair, Apple does this exact same thing on their operating system. On a freshly installed iPhone, swipe right at the home screen. It takes you to the widget screen which is loaded by default with Apple News showing random junk. Microsoft deserves the flak for turning Windows 11 into a billboard, but Apple isn't immu…

>On a freshly installed iPhone, swipe right at the home screen

I've used iPhones for 15 years and never noticed that. There's a difference between having Apple apps available if you want them, compared to things in your face when you don't do anything and don't want them.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by slowmovintarget » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #182

pipes wrote: post #159

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I tried multiple times to use Linux as primary desktop. I gave up. Windows hardware support for consumer devices is just better. And games, especially old games. Linux is amazing , but for a everyday machine. I've given up on Linux, I don't have time to configure it. Also every desktop ui Ive used on it isn't quite as polished as windows.

Hardware is hit or miss. Had very good experience with ThinkPads. I don't get the old games part. This is something where Linux absolutely shines, a lot of old Win9x games run perfectly fine on Wine, but fail on modern Windows for weird reasons. The biggest hurdle is usually DRM and Anti-Cheat, but I guess I'm lucky here because I don't play any competitive multiplayer games but more casual stuff. Also I don't use Nv…

I do use Nvidia in Linux, and I too get the "runs just fine experience."

Ironically, I've had problems with things like Sublime Text crashing. But Windows games from Steam (I don't run the ones that require anti-cheat root-kits), work fairly well.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by cyann » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:15 PM UTC

cmcaleer wrote: post #105

blindhippo wrote: post #102

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I gave up trying to use a mouse on OSX years ago (the acceleration curve causes physical pain for me) and leaned into what Apple did right: trackpads. I got an apple trackpad for my desk setup, and otherwise use the built in trackpad on the macbook. Doesn't help for those who need a mouse device (cad/design/photo-editing, etc), but for what I use it for (software dev/ops work), it's great. Trackpads in a windows ecos…

God bless the trackpad on Macbooks. Some Windows laptops come close but none match it. Thumbs up for Smooze if you're looking to try and have a somewhat usable mouse experience. It's 20 bucks because of course it is, why wouldn't a tool to allow a need that basic cost money? It does have a trial. Maybe another commenter can recommend something free but when I was looking a couple years ago it was the only thing that…

Excellent user experience using a Logitech MX Master 3S with Mos and ScrollReverser.

https://mos.caldis.me/

https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by lynguist » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:20 PM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #182

pipes wrote: post #159

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I tried multiple times to use Linux as primary desktop. I gave up. Windows hardware support for consumer devices is just better. And games, especially old games. Linux is amazing , but for a everyday machine. I've given up on Linux, I don't have time to configure it. Also every desktop ui Ive used on it isn't quite as polished as windows.

Hardware is hit or miss. Had very good experience with ThinkPads. I don't get the old games part. This is something where Linux absolutely shines, a lot of old Win9x games run perfectly fine on Wine, but fail on modern Windows for weird reasons. The biggest hurdle is usually DRM and Anti-Cheat, but I guess I'm lucky here because I don't play any competitive multiplayer games but more casual stuff. Also I don't use Nv…

My sister isn't a technical person and doesn't care for technical stuff. She dailies an Ivy Bridge HP Laptop with Ubuntu and Google Chrome for the past 10 years.

The issues she's encountered that I know of are:

- Couldn't install some specific printer drivers

- Couldn't interoperate with docx files that everyone else seems to expect

And that's it from what she's told me.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by yterdy » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 3:58 PM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #258

gloosx wrote: post #187

I remember the first time I used a Windows system last year after tens of years on Linux/OSX, and it was really a somewhat strange experience: the moment I connected the ethernet cable I was instantly looking at random flashy news articles from another part of the world. Not in the browser, not in some kind of "News" app, but right in my taskbar! The most amazing part is that I did not even have to click on it – the…

> It feels like you don't really own this system but use it in some kind of public library. You don't, commercial OS manufacturers want you to see and treat your computers as app consoles, similar to game consoles. They successfully got you to view phones and tablets as app consoles, the rest of your computers are next. > What also caught my eye so much is the amount of branding around – there are Spotify, TikTok, Am…

[Apple app dev smugness stops]

People really jumped head-first into dystopia innit?

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by alkonaut » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

Shadowed_ wrote: post #299

alkonaut wrote: post #254

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I think for app uninstallation to be relevant it's not whether the app resides on disk that's important, it's whether it's interfering with how you use the system. E.g. for a browser it's just important that the browser isn't registered as the default browser everywhere, but you can install your own browser. Being able to "uninstall" an app in a relevant way means being able to make it appear as if you don't have it.…

What you are talking about is not uninstalling. It's disabling. Uninstalling should remove application.

What you are talking about doesn't really have a good definition. If a windows app consists of 10 files of which 9 are used by other apps too, does that mean removing the only unique file to the app? Should it remove any configuration related to the app etc

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by askonomm » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #301

askonomm wrote: post #214

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Last I read the law, any cookie used for the functioning of the site, and not for the tracking of the user, is perfectly fine without a cookie banner.

I was going to agree with you, but in researching this, it does seem that GP is right. This is the source that I found: https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ As far as I can see, this is a resource funded by the EU, so not quite authoritative, but good enough IMO. They say: > To comply with the regulations governing cookies under the GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive you must: Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies excep…

Ah, so the truth was more specific than I thought. Consider me educated!

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by Agingcoder » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

kalleboo wrote: post #310

Agingcoder wrote: post #306

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That’s not what OP is saying. If your program gets shot by the oom killer your machine doesn’t lock up. OP is complaining that their machine locks up. What you’re describing is a reasonable scenario on Linux too that I’ve seen many times. On a mac things will go wrong when you run out of disk in general instead of running out of swap , but your process will fail eventually. Computing resources are finite. Sure there’…

I guess I've just been unlucky because the OOM killer has always made bizarre decisions on my machines and killed something more critical than the runaway process (or just not worked at all, not sure what the deal was is that, I never get logs). Every time I looked it up online the replies were just "you need to enough RAM to run your process, idiot, you should never need swap, swap is bad" If the normal case is that…

Yes that’s how it’s supposed to work. Supposed to, because as you’ve noticed there’s a long list of oom related patches in the kernel because it’s doesn’t always kill what it should kill !

Theory and practice unfortunately…

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by michaelmrose » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 5:56 PM UTC

bluefirebrand wrote: post #302

michaelmrose wrote: post #140

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Most stores suggest products to buyers

And yet it's still not a vital part of running a store.

> These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features

It doesn't seem to directly require comporting with someone's limited view of how a particular app is supposed to work

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by glimshe » Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

soraminazuki wrote: post #184

glimshe wrote: post #45

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I take this refreshing shower at night, when I close my Mac work computer and go use my Windows personal computer. Everything is easy to accomplish, my personal use software just works and I don't have to struggle with extra clicks and movements for everything. It's incredible how different people are - and that's a good thing.

People are free to have their own opinions. But some things aren't matters of options, but hard cold facts. Windows, especially after Windows 10, has been actively hostile and repeatedly ignores the clear will of its users. At boot time, it regularly takes the computer hostage in an attempt to coerce me to mass-enable its many spywares. After disabling then one by one, I can login to my desktop only to find that it h…

I haven't experienced the "facts" you describe - which makes me think they are opinions, or personal perceptions on pretty standard product practices, rather than facts.

Whenever there is a major update, they put a big button for me to enable Bing and a smaller button for me to not do that, and I just need to click on the smaller button. They sometimes enable brand new features I don't want by default, but they do that to make features discoverable; in years of Windows use, all I needed to do is disable the things I didn't want.

I'm not a Windows fanboy. It's just an operating system, not a way of life. While it does have some things I don't like, I'm quite productive using it and I'm a satisfied user.

If it wasn't trivial to disable/reject these things, Bing would have a 50%+ desktop market share and that's not what we see. People aren't going in mass from Windows to Linux/Mac, what is happening instead is that desktop OSs are becoming less and less useful as people who used to be desktop users do everything they need on mobile platforms.