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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by noir_lord »

tzs wrote: post #80
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Can't tell if serious or not so bravo.

On the assumption you are, just climb in the loft and drag the cable over, it's not that bad, I've been in and out of lofts since my early teens doing house re-wires with my father and never put my foot through a ceiling.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by stephenr »

hnlmorg wrote: post #79
stephenr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now where have I heard that before... Ok, sorry, in another 30 years time people might want more than 1G to do brain dumps to their robo-shrink. In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide. But please enlighten me about where you think you've "heard this before"?

Not the commenter but I’ve heard people make statements like that time and time again, only for those limits to be obliterated a few years later. The thing is, the moment a new upper bound becomes available, developers find a way to use it. It’s like the freeway problem that adding more roads ironically adds to congestion. Take storage, the greater the storage capacity of media increased, the larger game assets becam…

> 4k on a lot of streaming services is compressed to hell and back to work with people on slower internet connections.

A 4K UltraHD Bluray (that's 100GB for one movie) has a maximum bitrate of "just" 144Mbps. If you're suggesting online streaming services have some swathe of content that's (checks notes) in excess of 7x the bitrate used for 4K Bluray discs, I'd love to hear about it.

> video game streaming services aren’t a failed experiment

I'd have thought latency was a far bigger concern here, but even if not: it's still just sending you a 4K video stream.. it just happens to be a stream that's reacting to your input.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by breadwinner »

Metcalfe, inventor of ethernet, predicted in 1995 that the internet would collapse the next year, because the underlying tech couldn't possibly scale. He ended up having to literally eat his own words. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Metcalfe#:~:text=24%5D%...

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by fragmede »

tzs wrote: post #80
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

it's not that hard to only step on the joists in the attic, if it was built to code. if you don't want to crawl in the crawlspace, pay someone else to do it for you.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by pzmarzly »

graphe wrote: post #100
tzs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

Ethernet is switched and under 20Mb/s is more than usable for everything unless you transfer movie files and wait, in which it would take like up a few minutes to watch a video. If you browse it's more than enough.

In that's your usecase, it's better to save yourself the hassle and just set up good WiFi

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by organsnyder »

numlock86 wrote: post #7
goalieca wrote: post #2

I remember wiring up cat5 gigabit about 20 years ago in an industrial workplace. My house of that age also has cat5 everywhere and it’s aged very well. 1gig is still the standard for wired with few but expensive 2.5g and very expensive 10g home and small business options.

> 1gig is still the standard for wired A lot of people already get more than that from their ISP. I had at least 2.5g on every consumer product from the past 5 years. Small businesses use at least SFP on the floor level. Yada yada yada. Point is it's probably a regional thing.

I just got 5gbps symmetrical FTTH installed. I'm in Michigan, so hardly some connectivity utopia. I'm going through a round of upgrading my network devices to be able to actually handle it.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

eqvinox wrote: post #93
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jumbo frames could be a thing on the internet if there was a meaningful value proposition. Jumbo frames get plenty of adoption in LAN environments.

> Jumbo frames could be a thing on the internet It being a thing on "the internet" would require it being a thing on a sizable majority of the internet. You'd need to get large network operators, peering points, user-facing ISPs, and even users themselves on board to change their setups. And Path MTU discovery is still sufficiently unreliable as to make it incredibly painful to have partial large-MTU networks. And if…

This the same argument why IPv6 can't be a thing on the internet; I agree that the book isn't closed entirely on that yet, but very significant progress has been made.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

tzs wrote: post #80
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

> We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home ran coax to nearly every room in the house - it's a bit ridiculous How old is the house? If its more than 20ish years old running coax everywhere was a great choice. That would be before CAT5e cable so if they had went with ethernet cable instead of coax you'd be looking at 100 Mb/s. If it was built befor…

My most interesting ethernet run:

My office is in the basement corner with the sump pump, and said pump is located inside an undersized closet along with some pipework for the furnace, and all that like I said is in the very most corner space of the basement, basically inside a drywall box about 3 feet square. All things considered, it looks pretty nice. However I wanted ethernet back here for obvious reasons, and for several other reasons relating to layout, using either of the basement-facing walls wouldn't work.

SO: I realized that to run the plumbing and such from the furnace and utility area to this corner, they left a cavity a few inches tall in the ceiling at the outside-facing wall to this little cabinet. I bought a piece of 10-foot PVC pipe an inch wide, and slid it into this cavity between the existing pipes, securing it in place with a little bracket and some junk screws. Then I shoved four ethernet cables through that, into this little closet, and installed an ethernet wall plate in the door since it isn't regularly used and hooked it up there with enough slack that the door can move easily when we need to have any mechanicals serviced in there.

It's worked perfectly for the last 5 years. Love it.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by organsnyder »

therealmarv wrote: post #98

It's only disappointing that the most common standard nowadays is 1GB/s. I feel like there is a big gap and standards like 2.5GB/s or 5GB/s were somehow ignored and 10GB/s is a big jump up (also price wise)

2.5 Gbps is pretty common.
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