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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by tecleandor »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Oh, so you can connect several devices to the same "shared" coax cable around the house?

How is it? Is it really 2.5gbps or is it like Powerline adaptors that are an order of magnitude slower than their advertised speed? :P

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by tinus_hn »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCa is just a standard to run the Ethernet network over Coax cables

Nobody runs the Ethernet cables from 50 years ago, we use modern standards to run the Ethernet network over modern cables. Typically the ‘UTP’ cables but not necessarily.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by stephenr »

theryan wrote: post #53
stephenr wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now where have I heard that before... Ok, sorry, in another 30 years time people might want more than 1G to do brain dumps to their robo-shrink. In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide. But please enlighten me about where you think you've "heard this before"?

I believe they are referring to the quote from Bill Gates '640K ought to be enough for anyone' in reference to ram.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone who believes the debunked Gates quote is real, also can't comprehend the difference between "for anyone" and "for a lot of people".

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by jakderrida »

mangeld wrote: post #56
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

If there's already a coax cable run what's stopping you from running an ethernet cable alongside it or replacing it?

Because he uses MoCa instead.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by roessland »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Cool! I have the same issue with unused coax cables between every room, and was planning on replacing them with ethernet cables. In my case it's feasible without breaking down any walls. Does this work even with splitters?

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Post by Chabsff »

mangeld wrote: post #56
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

If there's already a coax cable run what's stopping you from running an ethernet cable alongside it or replacing it?

Coax runs in residential houses tend not to go through conduits, and often squeeze through holes in joists just barely big enough for the cable. Not to mention that, in my experience, they also tend to involve splitters in the absolute most random of locations.

Running Ethernet alongside it is rarely any easier than fishing from scratch.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by frankjr »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Another way to get something supposedly more stable than wifi when ethernet cabling is not feasible is to use your house's electric wiring and run data through that. There are kits which offer data rates in gigabits (although based on a few reviews I read the actual speed vary greatly).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa70...

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by judge2020 »

tecleandor wrote: post #61
jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

Oh, so you can connect several devices to the same "shared" coax cable around the house? How is it? Is it really 2.5gbps or is it like Powerline adaptors that are an order of magnitude slower than their advertised speed? :P

I was able to hit >2gbps in speed tests using goCoax MoCA adapters when I used them, but it isn't "full duplex", so you won't see 2.5 down and up at the same time, for example.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by darkr »

globular-toast wrote: post #17
dale_glass wrote: post #13

It's only a pity that things fossilized on 1500 byte packets. Yeah, we can compensate for that with hardware, but it's ridiculous to do 100G or even 10G in 1500 byte chunks.

Yeah, what's with that? I looked into enabling jumbo frames on my home network (just for fun, I don't really need it) and it seemed horrendous as those packets could end up on the internet and probably wouldn't work.

Your local router, if correctly configured should do fragmentation. But in 95% of use cases, jumbo frames aren’t worth the hassle.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by dale_glass »

WanderPanda wrote: post #60
globular-toast wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, what's with that? I looked into enabling jumbo frames on my home network (just for fun, I don't really need it) and it seemed horrendous as those packets could end up on the internet and probably wouldn't work.

Shouldn‘t the NAT take care of the outgoing frames as it is operating on the tcp/udp level?

No. NAT does Network Address Translation. It just changes addresses in packets. The packets are still whatever size they are.

There's fragmentation, but that's separate from NAT and often broken.

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