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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

I should've done that instead of try and replace the coax with network cables; they all run through cable guides (yellow tubes), but they're probably bent, nicked and collapsed after installation so you can't just replace the cables through it.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

thfuran wrote: post #39
stephenr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people ? 2.5G is rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity, and the advantage of higher total bandwidth is to support multiple people doing high bandwidth tasks. In this scenario a 2.5G (or 10G) router is all that's really required to get the benefit, while using the existing 20 year old wiring.

>rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity Now where have I heard that before...

Back in college we had 100Mbit internet connections in our dorm rooms when most people had 10Mbit cable or DSL at most. At the time it was considered ridiculously fast and certainly not something an average consumer would ever need.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by theryan »

stephenr wrote: post #48
thfuran wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity Now where have I heard that before...

> Now where have I heard that before... Ok, sorry, in another 30 years time people might want more than 1G to do brain dumps to their robo-shrink. In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide. But please enlighten me about where you think you've "heard this before"?

I believe they are referring to the quote from Bill Gates '640K ought to be enough for anyone' in reference to ram.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

smudgy wrote: post #23

I'd love to hear all the disruptive, trendy, innovative and blockchain-focused tech that'll cost me a fortune instead of relying on cheap ethernet. ^ The '/s' is implied.

I get you have beef with blockchain but it feels petty and intentionally detracting from the subject.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by voxadam »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

MoCA can be useful but doesn't it still encapsulate Ethernet at its lowest layer?

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by mangeld »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

If there's already a coax cable run what's stopping you from running an ethernet cable alongside it or replacing it?

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by hnlmorg »

saintradon wrote: post #18
AdamN wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even now 1gbps is plenty for virtually every end user and I suspect it will be good enough for a long time (maybe VR changes things??).

My personal experience with VR is 1gbps is plenty, the issues with VR more boil down to things like latency (for instance, streaming a quest wirelessly with VR desktop basically requires Ethernet, with regular wifi the experience is just awful).

Do you have WiFi 6? I found that to be adequate for me and my Quest needs.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

stephenr wrote: post #48
thfuran wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity Now where have I heard that before...

> Now where have I heard that before... Ok, sorry, in another 30 years time people might want more than 1G to do brain dumps to their robo-shrink. In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide. But please enlighten me about where you think you've "heard this before"?

> In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide

Video games are getting bigger all the time. The latest Call of Duty apparently is 200GB. On 1gbit you are limited to 125MB/s downloads (assuming zero overhead) that's almost a half an hour to download. PCIe4 SSD's are capable of write speeds of about 7GB/s and PCIe5 SSD's are just hitting the market with even faster speeds. At 10Gbit you can download that game in less than 3 minutes. In neither case are you even approaching the speed at which your PC can store that data.

When PCIe5 SSD's go mainstream a home PC user would even be able to saturate a 100Gbit connection.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by Waterluvian »

jmathai wrote: post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

I have the exact situation. Like 8 coax lines in the home but no Ethernet. Can someone point me in a consumer-ready direction? I imagine I can do this:

- put cable modem in basement where line comes in.

- do something that goes from router to into 2-3 coax lines heading into the home.

- have some little box in those rooms that expose an Ethernet port.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Post by WanderPanda »

globular-toast wrote: post #17
dale_glass wrote: post #13

It's only a pity that things fossilized on 1500 byte packets. Yeah, we can compensate for that with hardware, but it's ridiculous to do 100G or even 10G in 1500 byte chunks.

Yeah, what's with that? I looked into enabling jumbo frames on my home network (just for fun, I don't really need it) and it seemed horrendous as those packets could end up on the internet and probably wouldn't work.

Shouldn‘t the NAT take care of the outgoing frames as it is operating on the tcp/udp level?
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