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Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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It's only a pity that things fossilized on 1500 byte packets. Yeah, we can compensate for that with hardware, but it's ridiculous to do 100G or even 10G in 1500 byte chunks.

Jumbo frames are a thing.

Jumbo frames are not a thing on the internet. The internet has fossilized at 1500 byte MTU.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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I remember wiring up cat5 gigabit about 20 years ago in an industrial workplace. My house of that age also has cat5 everywhere and it’s aged very well. 1gig is still the standard for wired with few but expensive 2.5g and very expensive 10g home and small business options.

hah. Drilling holes to run Ethernet through centuries-old castle walls was my favorite.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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post #33

This is a comment for folks in homes with coax run for cable TV. Ethernet is great. I wired ethernet to most rooms in our remodel and set up wired access points or jacks in the office to connect directly to my computer. The speeds and consistency over wifi and mesh were remarkable. Especially consistency. We moved, and it's not feasible to run ethernet everywhere in our current home. However, whoever built the home r…

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Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

#44
Recent friendly wholesome interview with Metcalf , where Metcalf says he is getting into the weeds of geothermal energy production.

He also says the reason Ethernet keeps getting better is because they keep rebranding new, novel signalling and encoding schemes as Certified Ethernet. It sounded like he had a grin on his face when he said it.

https://hanselminutes.com/900/from-ethernet-to-geothermal-en...

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

#46

It's only a pity that things fossilized on 1500 byte packets. Yeah, we can compensate for that with hardware, but it's ridiculous to do 100G or even 10G in 1500 byte chunks.

Just to be picky the correct term is data gram , which describes layer 2 segmentation. Packets describe segmentation between switches, which is layer 3.

If you want to be picky then it’s actually Ethernet frame, which is neither a datagram nor a packet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame

Also, while we are being picky, datagram is one word not two.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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post #2

I remember wiring up cat5 gigabit about 20 years ago in an industrial workplace. My house of that age also has cat5 everywhere and it’s aged very well. 1gig is still the standard for wired with few but expensive 2.5g and very expensive 10g home and small business options.

My home was redone at some point in the late 1990s and I also lucked out in this regard with Cat 5 used for telephony, but easily converted to proper Ethernet.

I ended up purchasing a “lifetime” spool of Cat 6 to fill in some blanks, but it’s the optimal networking setup for me.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people ? 2.5G is rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity, and the advantage of higher total bandwidth is to support multiple people doing high bandwidth tasks. In this scenario a 2.5G (or 10G) router is all that's really required to get the benefit, while using the existing 20 year old wiring.

>rapidly approaching, if not already past the point, for a lot of people where a single machine will never use all of that capacity Now where have I heard that before...

> Now where have I heard that before...

Ok, sorry, in another 30 years time people might want more than 1G to do brain dumps to their robo-shrink.

In 2023, there are very few uses for home users that will exceed what a 1G connection can provide.

But please enlighten me about where you think you've "heard this before"?

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1gig is still the standard for wired A lot of people already get more than that from their ISP. I had at least 2.5g on every consumer product from the past 5 years. Small businesses use at least SFP on the floor level. Yada yada yada. Point is it's probably a regional thing.

Yeah, no. You live in a bubble. Most consumers are not above 1g even on fiber. It's probably not even regional, it's very location specific.

Where I live (the Netherlands) gigabit is available pretty much country-wide. Not everyone may subscribe to a gigabit plan but it's available to them if they wanted it.

ISPs are now just starting to roll out multi-gig, a few are already offering 2.5 or 4gbit plans. Even the ones that do not offer multi-gbit plans yet are already installing 10gbit capable CPEs. I suspect 10gbit service will become available nationwide within a few years.

Re: Ethernet Is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be picky the correct term is data gram , which describes layer 2 segmentation. Packets describe segmentation between switches, which is layer 3.

I'm pretty sure a switch is just an L2 bridge but still uses the ethernet address management mechanism (mac addresses) not the L3 IP (or whatever) address / routing mechanisms. Modern ethernet, on wires anyhow, is very different from the original one with a shared broadcast domain. Ironically, wireless networks are still very much like the original "you've got a piece of wire and everyone yells into it after listenin…

L3 switches are absolutely a thing, they allow communication between different VLANs on the same hardware without needing to go through a router.
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