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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

ghodith wrote: post #219
Spooky23 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

> I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

Sounds like not dating them is dodging a real bullet if they're that shallow.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

hbn wrote: post #121
commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

> This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS.

But the point to me is that I don't care whether it's "bad faith" or not, just that (again, to me) it's actually the correct point of view. Messaging integration between iOS and Android, in the US at least, is not just fundamentally broken, but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience for everyone (e.g. potato quality video), and if you are the "odd man out" on the Android people start resenting your presence in the chat (and, to be clear, I'm middle aged, not in middle school). For an example, see https://www.instagram.com/p/CwLKeGRLieb/

There is no reason for there to be such messaging incompatibility between iOS and Android. My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #307
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #275

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> I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. Those people don't sound like people worth knowing. Ignorant and judgy to say the least.

Life isn't so simple. What if that person is your boss or your client, or someone you love?

If your boss refuses to talk to you because of something as petty as imessage bubbles, they're petty enough to fire you for any number of reasons. That person is a horrible boss no matter what you do.

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #425
smartbit wrote: post #226

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More than 10% of europeans use iMessage, enough for EU Digital Market Act to force Apple to adopt RCS and thereby trying to circumvent opening iMessage itself

If iMessage gets declared a gatekeeper, RCS wouldn't be enough. Not all iMessage users can send/receive RCS or SMS.

> Not all iMessage users can send/receive RCS or SMS.

What do you mean? If Apple includes RCS like they did SMS then it would operate as follows:

Is target an iPhone with iMessage enabled? Yes? Use iMessage. No? Fallback to RCS. RCS doesn’t work? Fallback to SMS.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by matwood »

ok_dad wrote: post #139
lxgr wrote: post #123

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Was that really a concern in the US? WhatsApp and iMessage require data plans, and as far as I can remember these have largely included unlimited SMS as well. It was definitely a factor in the EU, though: SMS still aren't free on many prepaid plans there. WhatsApp was the first popular application supporting unlimited messaging on mobile phones for many.

Back in my day, you used to pay per minute for calls. Then they moved to a few hundred minutes free and the new SMS system cost a few cents per text. Then it was like 1500min/100sms free. Eventually it became unlimited minutes and texts but data cost some cents per kb or mb, then eventually that ratcheted up to “unlimited” everything with some “reasonable limits”. As a kid I used to make a collect call to my mom and…

And early 'unlimited' cell plans required the user to be 'local' usually in a city. Leave the city and boom, back to charge per minute because of 'roaming'.

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Post by alberth »

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

Spam

The reason why 3rd party native SMS/RCS don’t exist is mobile platform wanting to prevent spam.

Imagine a rogue 3rd party SMS app blasting all your friends unauthorized texts, from your device.

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Post by stonogo »

flashback2199 wrote: post #434
commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

> the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google Why would you want to use another messaging app? Your data is more safe with some randos than Google?

Yes, generally. Especially if those randos are, for instance, me. RCS needs server coordination, and I don't want to use it if I can't bring that on-prem.

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Post by cozzyd »

qingcharles wrote: post #393
tredre3 wrote: post #328

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If you turn off RCS, Google Messages shows you a full screen prompt once a week to turn it back on. Indefinitely. And of course the prompt has a large blue button to enable, and a very small text underneath to dismiss, making it easy to accidentally enable it. It happened to me a few times already. It also tells you nothing about the downsides (that you need a data connection, mainly) that would make RCS unusable to…

The problem with developers is that we are often isolated from whole sections of the world. The people on the Android team, probably working in SF, have perhaps never been into the hood. Out here there are guys on every street corner stood next to the drug dealers (often it's the same guy) trying to get you to take a free smartphone or a tablet. They get paid some sort of kickback if they can get you to take it -- it…

Huh? I rarely use more than 2GB/month...

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Post by hankchinaski »

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

I personally trust more Google and apple than a spider web of random developers and potential malwares that might cause just security issues in the long run and reduce the overall security of the platform and ecosystem

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

westmeal wrote: post #197
crazygringo wrote: post #60

What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

I thought this bubble color thing was a joke but is it seriously something women look at? Why?

It's not something anyone worth your time looks at, nor something most people look at.
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