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how do you put a screenshot into chatgpt?

I believe it requires plus*, but I’m not sure. However, you can paste in an image, or you can click the paperclip on the bottom left of the prompt area to upload an image (or other files).

you mean plus i assume

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ITT: people in denial while the writing on the wall is literally shoved into their face.

Writing was on the wall over a year ago, shocked how many were in complete denial then. Even more surprising now.

People don't even seem to grasp that the next gen of these tools wont be rolling the dice once it'll be rolling it 1000 times then you pick the one that nailed it. Then the next generation will roll 10,000 times and it'll be picking the one that nailed it even without your input at all.

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Squarespace, Wix etc have already taken the bottom of the market, and if they hadn’t, Indian outsourcing would have anyway. This is the logical progression of those same concepts. If I were a product manager at a website builder, I’d be all over integrating ai builders like this. It will never work for barely defined complex business tasks, but it might do fine to create a cost estimator for a photography business, f…

Why do you think it can only work for trivial tasks? That's just denial.

Business process workflow software is quite popular. There are many applications where people do something similar with drag and drop/interactive widget editors and they can have complex forms, parent-child, state transitions, etc.

Using something like GPT Vision means you can skip the widget drag and drop and use more freeform drawing tools or freehand sketching.

Notion is probably the most popular example today but there are more complex ones going back forever.

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I was discussing with a client how to integrate our software with his. He sent me a screenshot of the main form. I put the screenshot into ChatGPT and said “make a react form like this in bootstrap”. Made some adjustments, added my software, a few hours later showed the client who was knocked out to see a proof of concept of our systems integrated so quickly. When doing web development I often take a screenshot of a…

how do you put a screenshot into chatgpt?

Just snip it and paste it. If you're in Windows, I use the Snipping Tool Windows + Shift + S. Then just go to ChatGPT4 (Pro only) and hit paste.

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I feel old now. I'm fairly sure that we could do this almost as fast with VB or Delphi a couple of decades ago, but a little more deterministic results instead of having the tool inferring it from the label names. We had this and then we shoved everything in the browser and forgot that we could do this without using huge amount of compute of some generative AI model. Look at me I'm old yelling at clouds!

There was a reason why we moved away from this. Everything is code, the UIs for creating such interfaces are just abstractions. The code generated by those no-code approaches to interface design was horrible and would break down quite fast in larger projects. Maintainability for such interfaces was non-existent.

I think just regretting an old feature long gone without proper context is dangerous. If we are to bring back those approaches we have to keep in mind exactly why they went away in the first place.

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But if you use a specification language, then how can you build a pixel-perfect, unique set of sliders that’s subtly different from everyone else’s?

IME the real "problem" (maybe just interpersonally) is when you have a product person, or a designer, who insists that something needs to be pixel-perfect and subtly different when it objectively does not. Maybe even when it is a grey area but the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Case in point I'm in the middle of, let's just call it what it is, an argument, because a new page in a new section of our app has a differen…

I swear the art form here is to provide the product people and designers with a tool/framework where they make the choices and they suffer the constraints, then they have to blame themselves when they can't do it.

There is the old story about Steve Jobs and the Mac calculator app, where they made a calculator toolbox to build one in order to prevent him demanding seemingly arbitrary changes all the time.

https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Calculator_Const...

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Ugh Twitter / X. That site needs to die - it’s honestly so broken, none of the redirects seem to work today.

I'm trying to get people to pronounce it "eggs" as in Eggs, the site formerly known as twitter. So instead of a tweet you "egg something". I think it gives the site the dignity it deserves.

i like Xitter and Xcrete

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Such recent demos show both how impressively ML/AI has advanced recently, and how unimpressively repetitive and unoriginal tasks keep being reimplemented by millions of developers worldwide. Since most UI screens can be accurately described in one or two paragraphs, it's no wonder they can be represented in much detail in a relatively small embedding vector.

Well billions of human beings are living remarkably repetitive and unoriginal life. Doing few categories of work, living in few categories of home, and eating few varieties of food. Same for entertainment, transport and so on. Most people are just running in rather tight loops.

Perhaps to start with, one way to have vastly more creativity/diversity of things people do is to have vastly fewer humans on earth.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Huh? You know ChatGPT produces a whole REST Api with authentication and db migrations backend in 5 seconds too right?

You still need to host it somewhere, deploy new features and then keep it running, generating code isn't enough and besides, back end is higher risk, so there needs to be a human there for insurance purposes to verify that access controls are properly defined and to rectify any urgent issues that arise. Same reason they still want human pilots inside planes even though most of the flight is automated.

Of course but analogous things can be said about front end. Pretty sure tldraw would fail spectacularly at anything slightly more complex like interactive world maps or parallax animations with dynamic break points.

Point being I'm not sure which of the two is safer from ChatGPT.

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I feel old now. I'm fairly sure that we could do this almost as fast with VB or Delphi a couple of decades ago, but a little more deterministic results instead of having the tool inferring it from the label names. We had this and then we shoved everything in the browser and forgot that we could do this without using huge amount of compute of some generative AI model. Look at me I'm old yelling at clouds!

I think we'd all be gladly sitting atop high abstractions like that if not for the fact that brands pay the bills, and brands want custom experiences. Website and app design often begins with "what does a button look like," and design tools focus not on prebuilt widgets but on paths and fills, because the last thing a brand wants is to speak with different tones in different media. Their software has to feel like their stores and advertisements in order to create a brand-consistent customer experience. Design systems are a hot topic today because what brands got with this design method is a different voice in each of their sites and apps, because they're all independently custom.
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