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Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by deltarholamda »

toyg wrote: post #84
andrewstuart wrote: post #6

I was discussing with a client how to integrate our software with his. He sent me a screenshot of the main form. I put the screenshot into ChatGPT and said “make a react form like this in bootstrap”. Made some adjustments, added my software, a few hours later showed the client who was knocked out to see a proof of concept of our systems integrated so quickly. When doing web development I often take a screenshot of a…

Yes, the customer will be impressed by your speed the first time. The second time, he will expect it. The third time, when requirements have grown enough to be beyond what ChatGPT can deal with, he'll be angry that timescales have exploded.

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by tsunamifury »

jprete wrote: post #159
pc86 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IME the real "problem" (maybe just interpersonally) is when you have a product person, or a designer, who insists that something needs to be pixel-perfect and subtly different when it objectively does not. Maybe even when it is a grey area but the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Case in point I'm in the middle of, let's just call it what it is, an argument, because a new page in a new section of our app has a differen…

The usability article [1] from yesterday suggested a similar problem - design-oriented people want to put their graphical mark on their GUIs, and it comes at a significant usability cost. GUIs are most usable when they are consistent - everyone uses exactly the same UI elements, with the same exact color schemes and shapes and sizes, to mean the same things every time. And that’s…not what people do anymore. [1] https…

Dear god another “engineers don’t get the difference between design and ux and complain that everything should just all be the same” thread.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by demondemidi »

So does this mean in the future GUIs will be custom and on demand depending on the situational context or personal preference?

Did we get every spaceship control room wrong? Where the Star Trek bridge would simply morph into whatever gui objects were necessary? (I can’t imagine them going away entirely and EVERYONE talking to the ships computer as it would be audio chaos and annoying a/f so I guess we’ll always need a nice quiet user interface.)

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by r3d0c »

stylepoints wrote: post #75
enlyth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These little demos of toy UIs are cute but humans can still hold the context of a whole codebase in their heads. We're not quite at the level (yet) of feeding a whole codebase to an LLM and making it add features or make changes while understanding the big picture of the problem being solved, being consistent with the design principles and coding style of the overall existing codebase. And I'm not even talking about…

> We're not quite at the level (yet) of feeding a whole codebase to an LLM and making it add features or make changes while understanding the big picture of the problem being solved We are one step away from that. All we need is a more advanced form of fine tuning.

lol, this magical thinking; also not AI, it's ML

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by dogleash »

gtirloni wrote: post #114
creshal wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UIs should be repetitive, but we keep reinventing them anyway to satisfy the vanity of product owners/designers/managers/clients/... and built entire industries around making slightly the UIs slightly more differently than the last time.

Usually things naturally get mature and stop changing so much (e.g. some software reaches such maturity level that it starts offering LTS releases). This doesn't seem to be the case with UI toolkits. Is that because we still don't understand things well enough to design a decent foundation?

> Is that because we still don't understand things well enough to design a decent foundation?

Nope. Don't let the conmen fool you that the incremental changes in HCI justify all the new coats of paint. Form and function changes are happening in parallel.

Fashion has to change, that's just the nature of fashion. Fashion will also spin yarn to justify itself. That's also just the nature of fashion. Don't get me wrong, I want all my software to be palatable to modern tastes. But entropy always increases with time.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by rchaud »

random_cynic wrote: post #139

ITT: people in denial while the writing on the wall is literally shoved into their face.

Alternatively, ITT: people who have been through the design-to-dev handoff process and understand the comparative advantages of both teams.

Tools like this can be good for indie developers, the ones who in the past may have had to learn a bit of dev/design to release something. The division of labour is larger teams is different. The product manager may have a user research background instead of a software one. The designer may be good with semi-complete prototypes in Framer, but the responsibility for delivering production code may still rest with the dev team.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by blehn »

spyder wrote: post #88
imjonse wrote: post #33

Such recent demos show both how impressively ML/AI has advanced recently, and how unimpressively repetitive and unoriginal tasks keep being reimplemented by millions of developers worldwide. Since most UI screens can be accurately described in one or two paragraphs, it's no wonder they can be represented in much detail in a relatively small embedding vector.

Huh? UIs should be repetitive not impressive or original, so users don't have to learn different new interface for every app.

So then every app should be a CLI? Not sure how you can actually believe a statement like that.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by andreasley »

Loeffelmann wrote: post #145
replwoacause wrote: post #63

I won’t visit Twitter but reading these comments I think I’ve got the gist

You can try it out here: https://makereal.tldraw.com/

Note: This requires an OpenAI API key with access to the model 'gpt-4-vision-preview', so a paid subscription.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by saddlerustle »

sarchertech wrote: post #127
JCharante wrote: post #90

Call me an unbeliever, but I don’t believe in the future of no code solutions. You will still have to align that button at smaller device resolutions, leave extra space so it looks nice in another language, and other requirements. Maybe it’ll enable us to use even more abstracted languages to build apps faster at most. This only works for extremely basic and common things like tic tac toe and not original works.

A huge part of the problem with LLM based no code is that the output is non-deterministic, so you can only check in the output to version control. Imagine what happens when you have dozens of barely technical people all adding features by sketching them and clicking “make it real”. Each one is producing hundreds of lines of code. At the end of the day someone is responsible for understanding the output because since…

The gpt4-turbo api is now deterministic

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by j_bum »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #154
andrewstuart wrote: post #6

I was discussing with a client how to integrate our software with his. He sent me a screenshot of the main form. I put the screenshot into ChatGPT and said “make a react form like this in bootstrap”. Made some adjustments, added my software, a few hours later showed the client who was knocked out to see a proof of concept of our systems integrated so quickly. When doing web development I often take a screenshot of a…

how do you put a screenshot into chatgpt?

I believe it requires plus*, but I’m not sure.

However, you can paste in an image, or you can click the paperclip on the bottom left of the prompt area to upload an image (or other files).

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