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Earlier in the year I wanted to understand LLMs and GenAI so I tried to push their limits to see what broke and what didn't. One of my projects was to build a blog/site from scratch. I had 0 web dev/design background. My experience was starkly less optimistic, and am curious if any one else has tried something similar. ----- First off, I must state a deep respect to people who build + design websites, while dealing w…

What model did you use?

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What is the letter 'A' supposed to look like?

Every scribe had their own style and flourish. Every scribe was an artisan. Discerning patrons favored particular scribes for their uniqueness and quality.

Somehow, someway, the hivemind mostly settled on today's 'A'. Something good enough.

Moveable type replaced scribes.

And so it is with sliders and flexbox layouts.

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Yes. Almost none of those get i18n, hotkeys, shortcuts, taborder, screenreaders and other accessibility right.

Most users don't care about any of that, either. And I would argue that i18n and l10n belong outside your language's framework (and obviously outside CSS).

Accessibility is legally mandated in many cases and if you ever want to sell your app to government or enterprise customers, it’s likely to be a requirement.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Earlier in the year I wanted to understand LLMs and GenAI so I tried to push their limits to see what broke and what didn't. One of my projects was to build a blog/site from scratch. I had 0 web dev/design background. My experience was starkly less optimistic, and am curious if any one else has tried something similar. ----- First off, I must state a deep respect to people who build + design websites, while dealing w…

Its a bit of a game changer if you already understand things so can point it to the right tasks and also clock that it's screwed up just from glancing at the code. I haven't tried Cursor yet, I just get it to write or refactor functions bit by bit maybe that's better for monolithic tasks?

I should probably write a post about this, but comments are easier.

0) LLMs introduce the challenge of automated semantic verification.

1) LLM work should be broken up by usecase. These use cases lie on a semantic complexity continuum.

2) Tasks like classification are simple to verify (precision recall etc.). Tasks that require semantic complexity like summarizaiton are on the other end.

3) Anything on the high semantic complexity end of the scale needs expert human review.

4) Chained or complex calls greatly complicate verification

Which is why you are getting use out of it. There is a human (you) in the loop, and the calls are not complex.

As long as a human is reviewing the output of the LLM every time, its great. This is the vast majority of "generative" output.

Its when you have things like agents, or chained calls that things go awry. ITs why proof of concepts are easy, but production is hard.

For the record, many people have called this out, including people at Open AI, and AI ops was the largest sub group in YC's fall batch.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Earlier in the year I wanted to understand LLMs and GenAI so I tried to push their limits to see what broke and what didn't. One of my projects was to build a blog/site from scratch. I had 0 web dev/design background. My experience was starkly less optimistic, and am curious if any one else has tried something similar. ----- First off, I must state a deep respect to people who build + design websites, while dealing w…

> I had hoped to be able to get complex tasks done entirely with assistance from the LLM. In the end it helped maybe 20-30%.

Ok but if you would do the same task again, how much would it help you?

> When I went back to the videos of people using chatgpt to build a website in under 30 minutes - its always someone who knows the domain extensively.

You are one step closer to become this person.

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A lot of methods of expressing software ideas are also very inefficient. The actual interesting part, the entropy, is very small. In the demo it’s literally two sliders controlling two CSS attributes which is not a lot of bits of entropy in a UI specification. With an appropriate UI specification language, that would be, what, three lines of code? Needing to manage Web UI boilerplate is where the difficulty is.

But if you use a specification language, then how can you build a pixel-perfect, unique set of sliders that’s subtly different from everyone else’s?

Hook the resulting GUI code up to customizable styling?

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Almost none of those get i18n, hotkeys, shortcuts, taborder, screenreaders and other accessibility right.

Most users don't care about any of that, either. And I would argue that i18n and l10n belong outside your language's framework (and obviously outside CSS).

>Most users don't care about any of that, either.

That's because they don't know what they are. They suffer the consequences of not having them though.

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