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Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by rstuart4133 »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #87
rstuart4133 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Linux on desktop community will be hurt as users would move to the Apple ecosystem, despite the non-free nature. That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more architectures than any other OS. For example there is a Chromebook, which is (or is slated to become?) a skin over GNU/Linux. That includes using Wayland. If you want access to the full GNU/Linux stack, Chromebook's provide Crostini. Your…

> That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more architectures than any other OS. So? Any other architecture that outperforms the M3 on both efficiency and power?

> So? Any other architecture that outperforms the M3 on both efficiency and power?

No that I know of.

But that wasn't disputing that. I was commenting on your speculation the open source community would flee to a closed source operating system because the M3 currently reins supreme. I doubt they will. I also doubt M gap will Apple's engineers created will be a long term thing.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by INTPenis »

MrDresden wrote: post #39
INTPenis wrote: post #5

Until they get a nordic keyboard, I'm out.

They do offer ISO layouts, which afaik all nordic language layouts use.

I don't know what that means. I want ÅÄÖ and/or ÅÆØ on my keyboard out of box. I don't want to use stickers, I don't want to guess, I don't want to engrave things.

I do really want the Framework 13 though, it seems a perfect size.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

zerocrates wrote: post #76
starkparker wrote: post #3

It's been good for me; I think it'll be great soon. AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue. The upgrade experience from the Intel 12th gen to a Ryzen 5 took about a half-hour, doing only the mainboard and no display or hinge upgrades, and I was already familiar with the internals from assembling it as a DIY. It's not trivially easy, and there were a few frustrating moments that aren't unique to the Framework (ok,…

Just did my own swap yesterday: I was lazy (practical?) and just kept the Intel wifi chip I had already so I wouldn't have to redo the antenna connections. I'm on Ubuntu 23.10 and I think just the pretty new kernel, plus my Framework board being a later build with the newer firmware, meant I dodged any graphics issues (at least any I'd have immediately noticed).

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Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by mixmastamyk »

warner25 wrote: post #34
IntelMiner wrote: post #8

At the risk of sounding negative I have to dissent. Linux on the Framework is great * if* you use GNOME or KDE. Those two DE's specifically support Fractional scaling in Wayland the best I've been using XFCE for the better part of 15 years meanwhile. Its Wayland support is a permanent unfortunate "work-in-progress" (apparently they only have two full-time developers for the whole project?) and I'd assume many other l…

Agreed. I struggled a bit with XFCE on my Framework for a few months before switching to GNOME, largely because Framework's display size is best with fractional scaling. 100% made everything too small, and I could work with 200% and some tweaks (although some applications didn't play nicely at all), but 175% or 150% is perfect. Their choice of display size is one reason (among several) why Framework is really not Lin…

Cinnamon works great on it, has fractional scaling and is more traditional like xfce.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by MrDresden »

orthecreedence wrote: post #67
MrDresden wrote: post #33

I'm in batch 8 for one of these and simply can not wait to get to start using it (my current T460s has really started feeling slow in the last year).

Fellow batch 8er! I got the 8-core AMD option, super excited. My 2016 Razer finally shat the bed after I attempted to clean the keyboard...now it "turns on" but the fans don't spin and the BIOS never loads. I read it might be the fuses on the motherboard, but I tested them all and continuity is fine. I was originally a bit hesitant to go from a GPU-enabled laptop back to integrated, but realized that almost all the g…

I've tested using i3 but never fully got into it. But my plan for the F13 is to try out Hyprland[0] and perhaps Sway[1].

[0] https://hyprland.org/

[1] https://swaywm.org/

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by emptysongglass »

INTPenis wrote: post #92
MrDresden wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do offer ISO layouts, which afaik all nordic language layouts use.

I don't know what that means. I want ÅÄÖ and/or ÅÆØ on my keyboard out of box. I don't want to use stickers, I don't want to guess, I don't want to engrave things. I do really want the Framework 13 though, it seems a perfect size.

I mean no offense, but are you not a touch typer? Labels are for training the fingers in the early stages of typing but devs should not be looking down once they've trained their fingers, which shouldn't take more than a year of practice.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by nbf_1995 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #90
nbf_1995 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They work, but on gnome you might have to disable the `hid_sensor_hub` kernel module.

I look forward to the day when we can use all of the keys on the keyboard without having to disable the ambient light sensor.

I installed gnome to double check and the issue seems to be fixed. I can use the brightness keys with ambient light sensor enable.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by pjmlp »

nicolaslem wrote: post #24
starkparker wrote: post #3

It's been good for me; I think it'll be great soon. AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue. The upgrade experience from the Intel 12th gen to a Ryzen 5 took about a half-hour, doing only the mainboard and no display or hinge upgrades, and I was already familiar with the internals from assembling it as a DIY. It's not trivially easy, and there were a few frustrating moments that aren't unique to the Framework (ok,…

> AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue. From my experience, it takes about a year between the time AMD hardware is generally available to the public and the time Linux support for it is rock solid. I got one of the first 6800U laptops available and at the beginning it was rough, crashing often for no reasons. Slowly, each new kernel or firmware version fixed more and more things until one day, about a year later…

I bought my Asus 1215B back in 2009, naturally it had the AMD proprietary driver back then, it took until Ubuntu 22.04 LTS for me to get OpenGL 4.1 support back, now with the open source driver.

It had been downgraded to OpenGL 3.3 since Ubuntu decided to drop the proprietary driver.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by pjmlp »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #85
KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the bigger problem for the community is that the M3 absolutely spanks it in performance. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_7840u-... It's not just a matter of poor drivers and not being able to wake up from sleep. You typical Mac lasts for tens of hours on battery and runs faster than Intel/AMD's flagship laptop grade processors. This is a big deal and if the x64 hardware people don't up t…

> the Linux on desktop community will be hurt as users would move to the Apple ecosystem, despite the non-free nature. That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more architectures than any other OS. For example there is a Chromebook, which is (or is slated to become?) a skin over GNU/Linux. That includes using Wayland. If you want access to the full GNU/Linux stack, Chromebook's provide Crostini. Your…

It is quite clear that many UNIX folks that only care about a POSIX like experience, have long migrated to OS X as their daily driver.

Exactly because of this migration, did Microsoft see an business opportunity to come up with WSL, and be an alternative to Apple's offerings.

Being one of those UNIX folks, that has long made use of Virtual Box and VMWare, instead of wasting time dual booting.

Crostini is a good example of GNU/Linux desktop still not being there, and I quote,

"

- Cameras aren't yet supported.

- Android devices are supported over USB, but other devices aren't yet supported.

- Android Emulators aren't yet supported.

- Hardware acceleration isn't yet supported, including GPU and video decode.

- ChromeVox is supported for the default Terminal app, but not yet for other Linux apps.

"

Taken from https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Post by pjmlp »

haunter wrote: post #18

Wish they were including a Macbook Air with Asahi Linux running on it. Nowadays you can get an M1 for $750 on sale or an M2 for $900. Even though these are the 8GB models only they are very much comparable to the review models in the test.

It already comes with a certified UNIX.
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