I think I need to go lie down • Hacker News Board

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by jongjong » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:28 PM UTC

jdthedisciple wrote: post #94

jongjong wrote: post #85

What about the back end, deployment, hosting, dev ops, architecture, etc... I think that's where the opportunity is.

Huh? You know ChatGPT produces a whole REST Api with authentication and db migrations backend in 5 seconds too right?

You still need to host it somewhere, deploy new features and then keep it running, generating code isn't enough and besides, back end is higher risk, so there needs to be a human there for insurance purposes to verify that access controls are properly defined and to rectify any urgent issues that arise. Same reason they still want human pilots inside planes even though most of the flight is automated.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by code_runner » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:28 PM UTC

JCharante wrote: post #90

Call me an unbeliever, but I don’t believe in the future of no code solutions. You will still have to align that button at smaller device resolutions, leave extra space so it looks nice in another language, and other requirements. Maybe it’ll enable us to use even more abstracted languages to build apps faster at most. This only works for extremely basic and common things like tic tac toe and not original works.

I think a lot of these demos aren't necessarily trying to push forward a no-code purist approach, but rather showing how you can get basically a live wireframe going in no time at all. I think tools like canva, figma, etc will be all over this stuff and really improve high-fidelity wireframes/demos

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by Havoc » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:28 PM UTC

scopeh wrote: post #4

Lets make ourselves redundant. At least I won't have to relearn JS every 2 weeks.

Much like cockroaches JS will survive a nuclear explosion

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by gtirloni » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

creshal wrote: post #108

spyder wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? UIs should be repetitive not impressive or original, so users don't have to learn different new interface for every app.

UIs should be repetitive, but we keep reinventing them anyway to satisfy the vanity of product owners/designers/managers/clients/... and built entire industries around making slightly the UIs slightly more differently than the last time.

Usually things naturally get mature and stop changing so much (e.g. some software reaches such maturity level that it starts offering LTS releases).

This doesn't seem to be the case with UI toolkits. Is that because we still don't understand things well enough to design a decent foundation?

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by zztop44 » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

creshal wrote: post #101

LordShredda wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I blame Microsoft for having five different UI toolkits across three languages. Web browsers aren't that cross platform, is the GUI toolkit that is, so use that!

Which of the 7251 reactive JS frameworks do you want to pair with which of the 15281 css frameworks to achieve the result?

Does the user care?

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by code_runner » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #38

That's the equivalent of a todo app. How about something more complicated?

to be fair though, most apps are just over complicated CRUD apps that shouldn't be much more complex than a todo app

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by twoquestions » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

JCharante wrote: post #90

Call me an unbeliever, but I don’t believe in the future of no code solutions. You will still have to align that button at smaller device resolutions, leave extra space so it looks nice in another language, and other requirements. Maybe it’ll enable us to use even more abstracted languages to build apps faster at most. This only works for extremely basic and common things like tic tac toe and not original works.

That was my initial gut reaction, this will be an utter nightmare to customize and integrate. Wonderful for prototyping though.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by gumby » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

reidjs wrote: post #64

Isn’t the whole point of all this so I don’t need to use a web UI anymore? I can just tell the computer what I want and it does it, then I can go about my life?

A nerd can dream…I can stay in the command line, work on the fun hard stuff, just explain the UI to a transformer and then push straight to production, sight unseen.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by cwoolfe » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

The site requires an OpenAI Key and describes doing this as "risky but cool" ... What data would be exposed by sharing my key?

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by yoav » Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

JCharante wrote: post #90

Call me an unbeliever, but I don’t believe in the future of no code solutions. You will still have to align that button at smaller device resolutions, leave extra space so it looks nice in another language, and other requirements. Maybe it’ll enable us to use even more abstracted languages to build apps faster at most. This only works for extremely basic and common things like tic tac toe and not original works.

It’s like autotune.

Artisans who can sing on key will continue to make very interesting things.

But also in parallel a whole new wave of people that couldn’t or didn’t want to learn to sing on key will make entirely new genres of music and also pop for the masses with far less effort.

Even the artisans will use it sparingly to enhance and perfect and speed up some of their workflows