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Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by skywhopper »

anonzzzies wrote: post #22
scopeh wrote: post #4

Lets make ourselves redundant. At least I won't have to relearn JS every 2 weeks.

If there is one good thing going to come out of EVEN the fairly clumsy LLMs, it is that we probably can forget about this js frontend framework crap and can focus on work instead of figuring out what the taste-du-jour is. It won't matter; the LLM will translate it.

Probably not. Instead we’ll be stuck using the old frameworks driver because LLMs won’t be able to learn anything new without years of stack overflow examples.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by another-dave »

spyder wrote: post #88
imjonse wrote: post #33

Such recent demos show both how impressively ML/AI has advanced recently, and how unimpressively repetitive and unoriginal tasks keep being reimplemented by millions of developers worldwide. Since most UI screens can be accurately described in one or two paragraphs, it's no wonder they can be represented in much detail in a relatively small embedding vector.

Huh? UIs should be repetitive not impressive or original, so users don't have to learn different new interface for every app.

I think the parent's comment isn't saying that UI should be wildly different from each other but moreso highlighting that this is a prime usecase for an easy abstraction over the top.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by dottjt »

jameshart wrote: post #87
dottjt wrote: post #82

How would you go about editing the final product though? Wouldn't you then still need intimate knowledge of the system?

Change the sketch and get it to build it again. It only takes a couple of seconds.

That seems a lot more complicated than just coding it. How would you go about drawing a box shadow on the sliders? What if you wanted a background image behind it? How would the model know that it's a box-shadow, or that the background is an image?

I feel like for that level of granularity, you'd spend more time figuring out how to style it than just writing it in code, since you'll need to start using descriptors on things, which is literally just coding again.

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Post by LordShredda »

jprete wrote: post #53
imjonse wrote: post #33

Such recent demos show both how impressively ML/AI has advanced recently, and how unimpressively repetitive and unoriginal tasks keep being reimplemented by millions of developers worldwide. Since most UI screens can be accurately described in one or two paragraphs, it's no wonder they can be represented in much detail in a relatively small embedding vector.

A lot of methods of expressing software ideas are also very inefficient. The actual interesting part, the entropy, is very small. In the demo it’s literally two sliders controlling two CSS attributes which is not a lot of bits of entropy in a UI specification. With an appropriate UI specification language, that would be, what, three lines of code? Needing to manage Web UI boilerplate is where the difficulty is.

I blame Microsoft for having five different UI toolkits across three languages. Web browsers aren't that cross platform, is the GUI toolkit that is, so use that!

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by misja111 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #6

I was discussing with a client how to integrate our software with his. He sent me a screenshot of the main form. I put the screenshot into ChatGPT and said “make a react form like this in bootstrap”. Made some adjustments, added my software, a few hours later showed the client who was knocked out to see a proof of concept of our systems integrated so quickly. When doing web development I often take a screenshot of a…

But the thing is, creating a basic form page -is- simple. What is so amazing, is that after ~25 years of web development, we have continued to make it more complicated than it should be, by continuously coming up with new web frameworks that are brilliant for all kind of fancy use cases but overcomplicated for the more common and basic tasks.

Yes, there have been exceptions every now and then, but most web devs don't like them. They don't look fancy on your cv and face it, who wants to stick to building web forms for the rest of their career?

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Post by cduzz »

smcleod wrote: post #10

Ugh Twitter / X. That site needs to die - it’s honestly so broken, none of the redirects seem to work today.

I'm trying to get people to pronounce it "eggs" as in

Eggs, the site formerly known as twitter. So instead of a tweet you "egg something".

I think it gives the site the dignity it deserves.

Re: I think I need to go lie down

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Post by lxgr »

smcleod wrote: post #10

Ugh Twitter / X. That site needs to die - it’s honestly so broken, none of the redirects seem to work today.

At this point I’m assuming this is broken on purpose (for visitors not logged in).

I wonder if people still on there realize that their posts are essentially not visible for unregistered users anymore without jumping though major hoops.

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