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The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by topato »

beebmam wrote: post #47
kyruzic wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country doesn't make you a hero either, but that doesn't stop our media from calling all members of the military involved in the wars in the middle East heroes. Also read more carefully they never said the "terrorists" were heroes they explained the point of view of the "terrorists"

> Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country Is this really what political analysis has stooped to on HN in 2023? A total abdication of any attempt at nuance, or framing, or examining underlying intentions. Such a shame.

I'm starting to think there needs to be a "born post 9/11' disclaimer, as I believe living through that period, while remaining acutely aware of what happened in the Middle East during that period, is where the nuance originates

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by jameslk »

kiba wrote: post #68
kyruzic wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country doesn't make you a hero either, but that doesn't stop our media from calling all members of the military involved in the wars in the middle East heroes. Also read more carefully they never said the "terrorists" were heroes they explained the point of view of the "terrorists"

You do realize that war is ugly? It doesn't matter how justified a war is or isn't. Dropping bombs on an enemy are going to involves the risk of hitting civilians, especially if they are in a war zone, especially if insurgents or partisans are hiding among non-combatant. If they don't die due to bombs being dropped, they are going to die due to stray bullets. The only way to prevent that is not to go to war in the fi…

Same arguments can be made about terrorism. I'd argue that war was not the only choice in many instances it was used, just like terrorism wasn't the only choice. That may not be a popular opinion for either side.

War is reactionary and somehow hasn't stopped terrorism despite its blunt usage. And terrorism hasn't stopped bombs from falling yet either.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by Bamafan »

beebmam wrote: post #47
kyruzic wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country doesn't make you a hero either, but that doesn't stop our media from calling all members of the military involved in the wars in the middle East heroes. Also read more carefully they never said the "terrorists" were heroes they explained the point of view of the "terrorists"

> Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country Is this really what political analysis has stooped to on HN in 2023? A total abdication of any attempt at nuance, or framing, or examining underlying intentions. Such a shame.

What nuance needs to be added to blowing up hospitals?

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by black_thoughts »

mvdtnz wrote: post #66
black_thoughts wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What on earth makes you think this is an appropriate place to post 4chan links, or that anyone interested in sane discussion would click that? If you have an argument to make, make it here. I still can't tell if you're insane because you think it's an inside job, or you're insane because you think some anonymous 4chan user is the top source to prove the alternative.

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Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by topato »

I think feelings about this really fall along the pre/post 9/11 genesis lines.... But really, in the end, I think Sheryl Crow said it best, in 1996: If it makes you happy It can't be that bad If it makes you happy Then why the hell are you so sad?

https://youtu.be/dyihQtBes1I?si=lIDeKrTDmRQlwGpm

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by Bamafan »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #71
kiba wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The terrorists don't like the US for many reasons, some of them seem legitimate. Either way, they're still folks who hijacked planes and crashed them into the towers. The irony being "terrorists" are just viewed as "martyrs" and "freedom fighters" on the other side of the coin, and every bomb dropped fighting them resulting in civilian deaths creates new terrorists/freedom fighters, who then go on to attack again kil…

>The terrorists don't like the US for many reasons, some of them seem legitimate. This is a good quote. However you can say this about any critic, journalist, voter, or billionaire. We should be worried about the ones that don't like it 24/7/365, and have their entire life's meaning centered around not liking the US.

They don't just "not like the US".

The US is actively terrorizing their homelands.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

internet outrage! 404media is there!

It's pretty weird to delete the page, but since no one knows the reason (what if it was some tech issue like the cache hits were thru the roof or like others have pointed out, they didn't was the post necro bumped to their trending list? Stupid to do it while everyone was watching but whatever)

Anyways, everything is archived, https://web.archive.org/web/20150115193859/http://www.thegua...

so what. ever. Lots of ways for people to find out stories and reports from 9/11 times. These tiktok kids are always always acting like something is new they just discovered. They live in an ephemeral world of now without history so finding stuff out always shocks.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by dilyevsky »

user982 wrote: post #17

David Cross: "I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom, I think he did it because of our support for Israel and our ties with the Saudi family and all our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he fucking said. " ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggUXa2UVNYc )

He also literally fucking said that he hates America for its freedoms.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by nonethewiser »

topato wrote: post #91
beebmam wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dropping bombs on innocent civilians in a third world country Is this really what political analysis has stooped to on HN in 2023? A total abdication of any attempt at nuance, or framing, or examining underlying intentions. Such a shame.

I'm starting to think there needs to be a "born post 9/11' disclaimer, as I believe living through that period, while remaining acutely aware of what happened in the Middle East during that period, is where the nuance originates

There is a shocking amount of hindsight bias with the US war in the middle east which seems to entirely forget 9/11. Including those who remember 9/11.

Re: The Guardian Deletes Osama Bin Laden's 'Letter to America'

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Post by megasteel32 »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #97

internet outrage! 404media is there! It's pretty weird to delete the page, but since no one knows the reason (what if it was some tech issue like the cache hits were thru the roof or like others have pointed out, they didn't was the post necro bumped to their trending list? Stupid to do it while everyone was watching but whatever) Anyways, everything is archived, https://web.archive.org/web/20150115193859/http://www.…

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