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Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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For context, this is a video of a traditional truck driving up the same hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTwpkWQY_s And here's a Range Rover going up it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_00ah8lG4yk It seems like the CT doesn't have the equivalent of a locking diff, and had essentially no articulation. It'll be fine for the target demo (on-road usage). Both the Lightning and the CT clearly suffer from their weigh…

This Nissan XTerra practically walked up it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8FwhUCBog

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#52

Honestly both are abysmal. Even the F-150 is slipping like crazy in areas where it shouldn't matter. Locking differentials are really required for this sort of thing - or a four wheel motor setup where a motor is dedicated to each wheel and can apply power equally. Afaik none of the EV trucks have a mechanical locker or even a limited slip? This might be as easy as a software update for both. Reducing tire pressures…

> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. You don't think people have access to electricity in these places...?

To be clear, it looks like there are 40+ DC fast chargers within 50 miles of this location, which seems to be Hollister Hills in CA. Hard to count because it is close to San Jose.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#54
post #9

It looks like an OTA (aka Recall) update will fix the traction on the Cybertruck.

Without a mechanical locking mechanism at each axle you’re gonna suffer here. Pseudo “locking” can sometimes work with brakes being applied to the slipping wheel but off road that kinda goes out the window.

...Would they really ship a premium truck without a locking diff?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#55

Honestly both are abysmal. Even the F-150 is slipping like crazy in areas where it shouldn't matter. Locking differentials are really required for this sort of thing - or a four wheel motor setup where a motor is dedicated to each wheel and can apply power equally. Afaik none of the EV trucks have a mechanical locker or even a limited slip? This might be as easy as a software update for both. Reducing tire pressures…

I do things like this from time to time with my Rivian. You're right that charging infrastructure is a challenge, but two things make a big difference: - Lots of campgrounds have 30 or 50 amp plugs for RVs. Oftentimes off-road trips I go on start by everybody getting together at night so we can get an early start the next day. If you can meet near an RV campground (not always a great option), you can charge - Most of…

The campground RV thing is an a-ha moment for sure. Good to know. Agreed on low and slow and being able to make a full day out of a relatively small actual distance. Depending on where you live though the trailhead might be quite a ways from civilization and so you eat range getting to it.

If I was going to get an EV truck Rivian would def be the way to go. Just don’t let the OTA update brick your infotainment lol.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#56

The Cybertruck just needs some BF All-Terrains and I think off-road performance would be dramatically improved.

Hmmm… according to the article, the cybertruck DID have all-terrains.

Yeah, those look like gnobby tires to me. The F150 is running street tires.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. You don't think people have access to electricity in these places...?

To be clear, it looks like there are 40+ DC fast chargers within 50 miles of this location, which seems to be Hollister Hills in CA. Hard to count because it is close to San Jose.

Hollister Hills is one of the best off road parks I’ve ever been to. It’s fortunate to be located in NorCal where charging is more common.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without a mechanical locking mechanism at each axle you’re gonna suffer here. Pseudo “locking” can sometimes work with brakes being applied to the slipping wheel but off road that kinda goes out the window.

...Would they really ship a premium truck without a locking diff?

Looks like there is a heated debate on the Rivian forum about this. https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/quad-motor-vs-loc...

Lightning does have a locker although it’s hard to find details on how it works.

Cyber truck has two motors in the rear (one for each wheel) so ostensibly it could behave like a locker.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

#59
post #46
post #16

For context, this is a video of a traditional truck driving up the same hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTwpkWQY_s And here's a Range Rover going up it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_00ah8lG4yk It seems like the CT doesn't have the equivalent of a locking diff, and had essentially no articulation. It'll be fine for the target demo (on-road usage). Both the Lightning and the CT clearly suffer from their weigh…

I wonder if the tri-motor CT models will be able to simulate a locked rear diff, much like the quad motor rivian models can simulate a locked diff front and rear thanks to being able to adjust torque to all four wheels individually. Only the rear axle of the CT would presumably be able to do this due to the tri-motor layout, unless they resort to the individual wheel braking like they've done on their road cars to si…

Quad motor is even better than a locking diff if all the motors are modulated right.

I dunno what Rivian does, but I saw that Rimac does 1 motor per wheel, and each motor madly modulates itself during launch control to stop its wheel from slipping... Perfect, maximum torque, all the time.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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post #16

For context, this is a video of a traditional truck driving up the same hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTwpkWQY_s And here's a Range Rover going up it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_00ah8lG4yk It seems like the CT doesn't have the equivalent of a locking diff, and had essentially no articulation. It'll be fine for the target demo (on-road usage). Both the Lightning and the CT clearly suffer from their weigh…

The RRS is on bags and has three diffs?

Perhaps the CT should have used a G Wagon as a reference: https://youtube.com/shorts/4i_rxRJXaiU?si=AIOX_16-UbzyIAID

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