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Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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public transit is the answer, not stuffing a bunch of sensors into a single car but nobody's getting venture capital for that, nobody's making a profit off of it, so here we are

> public transit is the answer To which question? Surely not to "how do i get from home to work as fast as possible without stepping in the rain?" nor to "how do i take my family, two coolers, and a kayak camping for a weekend?"

Wish for 100% convenience is one of core causes of climate change.

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#42

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Any reason you aren't reporting it to the police?

Some people dont want to validate their existence or the bad laws that also exist on the statute books.

It is better to ask for help from your constituency... unless you have private militia.

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I'd say it's relevant as the investment in for-profit transit-as-tech companies has coincided with the chronic under-funding of public transit. Focusing on the US here, but if public transit was accepted as a public good, and the populace accepted that funding things for the public good was an acceptable use of government funds, then these companies wouldn't be as sound of an investment for VCs.

I agree: The solution is to change government spending so that public goods are sufficient to render other options moot. But the VC investment didn't cause the underinvestment of infrastructure. Rather, they stepped in to fill the void with other viable options when government initiatives failed to materialize. Example: where's my high-speed rail?!

Definitely agree with the solution - but unfortunately the transit-as-tech organizations (as well as auto manufacturers, the oil industry, real estate, etc.) also lobby to ensure that funding remains low and infrastructure decays or that costs/time become prohibitively high for infrastructure expansion.

It's definitely one of those things where the goal is clear but the changes necessary to get there are complex.

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How do you think a significant chunk of people outside of US live? Commute in public transit within city limits, go camping in your car… The problem in NA, we planned public transit so bad that it is very inconvenient to do anything. The second it becomes a better choice than driving, it’ll be used even more. Like it’s a no-brainer for me to ever drive while i’m within the city limits of Vancouver, but for hikes and…

> Commute in public transit within city limits How does that address my rain question? Cause i'd rather be dry than virtue signal (YMMV)

It is just… rain? I’m very confused if I’ll be honest. Your jacket gets wet, or you carry an umbrella so you stay dry? It rains 7-8 months of the year here, I genuinely never thought of it as a reason to drive so might be the wrong person to answer. As long as I’m not drenched (never happens unless i’m out for a rainy run on purpose), who cares the jacket will dry once I get in.

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How do you think a significant chunk of people outside of US live? Commute in public transit within city limits, go camping in your car… The problem in NA, we planned public transit so bad that it is very inconvenient to do anything. The second it becomes a better choice than driving, it’ll be used even more. Like it’s a no-brainer for me to ever drive while i’m within the city limits of Vancouver, but for hikes and…

> Commute in public transit within city limits How does that address my rain question? Cause i'd rather be dry than virtue signal (YMMV)

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Re: Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. BART predates Cruise by like 50 years, and it took them most of that time to get the noise below 100dB and add mobile payment support. Maybe in another 50 years we'll be able to get to all the cities with >100k people in the bay on it, if we're lucky.

> Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. What do you mean by 'literally' here? Seems like these ride-sharing companies do have impact on public transit. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/do-uber-a... https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/07/25/uber-and-lyft-are-ove...

Neither Uber nor Lyft is "a bunch of sensors stuffed into a single car", to quote the comment I was replying to. But even counting them, public transit seems to be doing fine in Europe, Asia, and NYC despite the existence of ride-share services. Ride sharing services don't impose additional right of way constraints either because they're just private vehicles.

I guess I just don't understand why you'd say they prevent cities from improving public transit.

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Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. BART predates Cruise by like 50 years, and it took them most of that time to get the noise below 100dB and add mobile payment support. Maybe in another 50 years we'll be able to get to all the cities with >100k people in the bay on it, if we're lucky.

> Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. What do you mean by 'literally' here? Seems like these ride-sharing companies do have impact on public transit. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/do-uber-a... https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/07/25/uber-and-lyft-are-ove...

Public transit in almost every US city is terrible. It isn't hard to see why someone with means would rather call an Uber than wait 15 minutes for the next bus to show up. Public transit can certainly be improved while Uber exists, just look towards many major international cities for examples.

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#48

public transit is the answer, not stuffing a bunch of sensors into a single car but nobody's getting venture capital for that, nobody's making a profit off of it, so here we are

> public transit is the answer To which question? Surely not to "how do i get from home to work as fast as possible without stepping in the rain?" nor to "how do i take my family, two coolers, and a kayak camping for a weekend?"

No offense, but it isn't hard to look up how people live in cities and countries with good transit infrastructure. A good starting place might be Netherlands (biking infrastructure coupled with buses and trains) or Switzerland (massive rail network). Here is a wiki page with more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share

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How do you think a significant chunk of people outside of US live? Commute in public transit within city limits, go camping in your car… The problem in NA, we planned public transit so bad that it is very inconvenient to do anything. The second it becomes a better choice than driving, it’ll be used even more. Like it’s a no-brainer for me to ever drive while i’m within the city limits of Vancouver, but for hikes and…

> Commute in public transit within city limits How does that address my rain question? Cause i'd rather be dry than virtue signal (YMMV)

I've heard "some people use their 2 ton car as a rain jacket" and thought it was urbanist hyperbole, but here you are.

Re: Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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It's not easy to act on the information in a car. But the technology is sure as hell advanced enough to tell if you hit someone. I mean it's literally video you can look at it

But is anyone reviewing these videos? Just having hundreds or thousands of hours of videos doesn't mean you know what's in those videos.

If I was a regulator, that sounds like their problem not mine. They have the data. Let them analyze it. Maybe a different branch of the government could help them with that but if they're bringing the new tech that's on them to prove it. It's not like pharma spends hundreds of millions on a clinical trial for fun. Getting that safety data is hard and will cost billions of dollars? That's your problem not mine. They don't want to spend billions parsing the data? They don't need to be let onto the road either.
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