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Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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post #4

Got one here, AMA!

Does the pressure to click on the trackpad feel 'even' across the entire trackpad? For example, does clicking at the top feel the same as the bottom? That's something I never got used to on my ThinkPad, clicking on the top is basically impossible.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

#42
post #4

Got one here, AMA!

How does the trackpad compare to a MacBook trackpad?

IMO not close (I spend the majority of the day on my work macbook). It's especially apparent when scrolling or moving the pointer small amounts, and especially near the edges of the trackpad, where you need to make bigger movements for it to work.

Your mileage may vary as people have different sized fingers and such.

It's a far cry even from my old Google Pixelbook, which is a (distant) second best touchpad I've used.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the trackpad compare to a MacBook trackpad?

Besides the actual hardware, I think the biggest problem is the software implementation of trackpads in Linux (at least in libinput/Wayland). Even running Linux on my Macbook, the trackpad experience is vastly inferior to macOS. I don't care too much about gestures, but mostly about stable palm rejection and proper acceleration curves. The current implementations sadly provide neither.

One of my complaints with the older framework is that the trackpad scrolling is REALLY fast and AFAICT there's no way to change tbe speed on stock Fedora

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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It's been good for me; I think it'll be great soon. AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue. The upgrade experience from the Intel 12th gen to a Ryzen 5 took about a half-hour, doing only the mainboard and no display or hinge upgrades, and I was already familiar with the internals from assembling it as a DIY. It's not trivially easy, and there were a few frustrating moments that aren't unique to the Framework (ok,…

I am very surprised to hear reports of poor Linux support for AMD devices. I recently purchased a GPD Win Max 2 [1] and a GPD Win 4 [2] for work. Both devices are AMD 7840U with Radeon 780M (and 64 GiB RAM at 6400 MT/s since I saw what appeared to be instability at 7500 MT/s.) I installed Archlinux on both and the support has been very solid with the `linux-lts` kernel and only one kernel flag (`amd_pstate=guided`.)…

Framework's been transparent through the process about firmware issues being part of their mainboard development. A lot of their problems are specific to the intersection of their expansion slot/USB-C port capabilities, particularly power draw and PD/DP capabilities, and AMD's firmware for mainboard components. I'm not surprised that GPDs have a more solid experience as they're not expected to be as flexible.

And I want to emphasize that the "support" as in Framework responding to and shipping fixes has been good. The "support" as in the hardware working consistently, particularly in Linux and without distro-specific workarounds, has had holes which sound common enough outside of Framework devices that I'd wager the GPDs are the exception more than the rule.

I'll say at least that the Framework's fingerprint reader and display settings Just Worked through the upgrade.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very surprised to hear reports of poor Linux support for AMD devices. I recently purchased a GPD Win Max 2 [1] and a GPD Win 4 [2] for work. Both devices are AMD 7840U with Radeon 780M (and 64 GiB RAM at 6400 MT/s since I saw what appeared to be instability at 7500 MT/s.) I installed Archlinux on both and the support has been very solid with the `linux-lts` kernel and only one kernel flag (`amd_pstate=guided`.)…

Framework's been transparent through the process about firmware issues being part of their mainboard development. A lot of their problems are specific to the intersection of their expansion slot/USB-C port capabilities, particularly power draw and PD/DP capabilities, and AMD's firmware for mainboard components. I'm not surprised that GPDs have a more solid experience as they're not expected to be as flexible. And I w…

That makes sense.

My assumption prior to purchasing these devices was that AMD support would be the main reason for me returning them.

I was quite surprised to see just how well everything worked, and, in fact, these devices have given me much less trouble than my i7-1165G7 Dell XPS 13".

In fact, these devices has worked so well that it's really made me more excited about consumer technology and new laptops and portables than I have been in a long time!

I am worried that I may be mistakenly generalising this to all AMD devices. I have even been considering ditching Intel for my next laptop upgrade…

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

#46
post #4

Got one here, AMA!

Which linux distro did you install and have you had any issues?

Fedora 39 is the "official" way to go on the AMD board due to the newer kernel. Installed without problems and all hardware worked on boot.

The biggest issues are setting up a workaround for staying in sleep/suspend while the lid's closed but plugged in: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-...

And flipping a VRAM flag to avoid GPU memory allocation issues: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-graphical-corruption...

Neither of which is Fedora specific, and both of which might be resolved via update.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

#47
post #41
post #4

Got one here, AMA!

Does the pressure to click on the trackpad feel 'even' across the entire trackpad? For example, does clicking at the top feel the same as the bottom? That's something I never got used to on my ThinkPad, clicking on the top is basically impossible.

Nope. It's a mechanical trackpad with similar pressure issues (super stiff in the top corners, a little softer in the top center, best in the center and bottom). I switched to tap-to-click.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

#48

I'm in batch 8 for one of these and simply can not wait to get to start using it (my current T460s has really started feeling slow in the last year).

> current T460s has really started feeling slow in the last year

Been there; web sites are rather heavy nowadays and two cores, combined with everything else running on the system, just can't keep up anymore.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

#49
post #4

Got one here, AMA!

What's your typical battery life like? The only thing keeping me on my M1 MacBook is only having to charge it ~2x per week.

6-7 hours of browsing in Firefox, 4-5 hours when doing work involving occasional building/compiling, 3-5 hours of 2D native Linux gaming, 2 hours or less of 3D AAA gaming through Steam/Proton.

Re: Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux Laptop

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I'm running NixOS + KDE on the AMD framework and surprisingly it worked perfectly out of the box. All I had to do was disable secure boot to get it running, and after install I had to configure the global scale in display settings to 200% so it looked right. No weird hacks needed at all -- the 23.05 installer just worked, including wifi, which apparently isn't true for Windows 11.
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