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Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by zug_zug » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

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Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. Some of the best movies recently are progressive (everything everywhere all at once, barbie). Some recent shows from Disney are terrific too (Andor). Some terrible shows aren't progressive at all. There are definitely cases that people morally blame audiences as a false cover for a bad movie, but there are also people wh…

>Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. >but there are also people who can't enjoy great movies if they can find any progressive meaning in them and make a career about ranting about it. the problem is that being 'progressive', whatever that means today, shouldn't come before making a good movie when the goal is.. to make a movie. No one would have cared abou…

I just don't see any evidence for the idea that studios are intentionally placing message before financial success. I see bad movies and progressive movies as two unrelated categories that sometimes overlap, but just as often don't.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 3:27 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #32

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To be fair, vice presidents almost always are chosen to tick boxes. For example a Northern presidential candidate will often choose a Southern vice presidential candidate and vice versa. Given how little a vice president matters (unless tragedy strikes) using them to "tick boxes" is their primary use.

Usually, the VP pick shores up support among a specific coalition. E.g. Trump picking Pence to shore up support among traditional evangelicals. But Biden was already far more popular than Harris among black voters. The campaign seems to have expected “first black woman VP” to carry weight, even though Harris had little pull among actual black voters. It’s quite distinct from traditional vice presidential box checking…

Incidentally, Marvel badly executed the details - it isn’t wise to trumpet the Muslim part when you go ahead and use Punjabi Sikh cultural references that are extremely grating to Punjabi Muslims’ ears. (Not offensive, just extremely incongruous)

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by dijit » Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 7:41 AM UTC

zug_zug wrote: post #41

serf wrote: post #37

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>Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. >but there are also people who can't enjoy great movies if they can find any progressive meaning in them and make a career about ranting about it. the problem is that being 'progressive', whatever that means today, shouldn't come before making a good movie when the goal is.. to make a movie. No one would have cared abou…

I just don't see any evidence for the idea that studios are intentionally placing message before financial success. I see bad movies and progressive movies as two unrelated categories that sometimes overlap, but just as often don't.

My point is not that the message comes before the story. My point is that there really isn't a “message” at all.

Its that they make something as generic and “safe” as possible, then put women, minorities or homosexual representation in the movie very late (after writing maybe) and it becomes forced.

Then when the movie bombs for being uncreative and forced they claim that it’s because of racists or misogynists. Because a few people genuinely are racists and misogynists it masks all the criticism and they can blanket deny that theres any issue.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by dijit » Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 7:46 AM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #23

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I think Loki is awesome for a few reasons: great acting by Tom Hiddleston & Sophia Di Martino and excellent chemistry Superb writing Wonderful action and better than movie quality special effects. Many of the other MCU shows & movies are similar in that they have a strong lead, talented villians, excellent writing, easy to understand plot and devices, and great special effects. If we go over the historical heroes and…

Brie Larson is quite good in Lessons in Chemistry on Apple TV+, though ironically it’s by playing a character whose personality it pretty much opposite of her MCU role.

Brie Larson is a good actress she is believable in many of her roles before captain marvel.

Even in captain marvel she is consistent- the issue is the writing makes her a smug self-centered person with no growth other than gaining even more confidence.

Its exclusively a writing/directing problem.

The hate got directed at her because she was the lightning rod for the movie, and she had a couple of awkward interviews and made a few really alienating comments about the franchises core audience and their relation to the movie.

But she is a good actress.