Absolutely astounding that there is a non-zero number of people here implying that this disproves the existence of patriarchy.
Looking for non-zero of anything is just asking to be upset all the time.
Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
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Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Add in drug abuse, those are pretty huge (though gun violence isn't a real influencer here, just doesn't put up the numbers heart disease does).
Gun violence is a major influencer of life expectancy in America. The average American would live a couple of years longer without gun deaths (including suicide and accidents). https://time.com/5471069/guns-life-expectancy/ The reason that it has such an outsized effect is because it tends to happen early in life.
Oh right, suicide. But wouldn't at least a portion of those suicides still be suicides without guns?
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#103What precisely is causing Americans to die so much earlier than Europeans? I know obesity, healthcare access and gun violence play a factor, but is there anything else?
Black and Native American life expectancy drag it down a fair bit. A median European dropped in US only loses a few years. In fact this goes for lots of stuff; drop someone from Norway in America and their chance of dying by gun doesn't change much either.
On the other side, Japanese-Americans are basically the longest lived people on the planet. Medical outcomes are generally excellent in the US, so when they intersect with healthy, safe lifestyles the results are good. Poor and dangerous lifestyles do a lot of heavy lifting in the US when it comes to life expectancy.
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Americans live on average 2 years less than Europeans. [1] 37% of US adults and 16% of EU adults are obese (2014). [2] Even moderate obesity reduces life expectancy by 3 years. Severe obesity is 10 years. [3] Factor in the not-obsese-but-overweight, and you explain basically the entire difference. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/health/american-life-expectan... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7670…
More recent stats US [1] Percent of adults aged 20 and over with obesity: 41.9% (2017-March 2020) Percent of adults aged 20 and over with overweight, including obesity: 73.6% EU [2] [3] Obese: 16% Percent of adults aged 18 and over with overweight, including obesity: 52.7% [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm [2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... [3] https://ec.eur…
It doesn't help that virtually all foods in the US have added sugar. If some day I read about vegetables and livestock being genetically engineered to increase sugar content as well, I would be completely unsurprised.
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#105Is part of the reason that there are a lot of younger men dying at much younger ages which skews the life expectancy? Or do they exclude outliers when they are putting the numbers together?
It is a statistical artifact of many more Americans dying due to fatal injuries at a young age. If you remove the fatal injuries, Americans are pretty long-lived despite their poor lifestyles.
Any particular reason US citizens are having so many fatal injuries at a young age though?
Is the accident rate higher than (say) Canada and Australia, or is the prognosis for recovery after an injury so much worse?
Here in Australia in my youth we jumped out of aircraft and helicopters, from one moving vehicle into another on dirt roads, jumped 40 ft off of deep water jetties into shark infested waters, climbed into crushers on mine sites to unbog them, washed live HV power lines in faraday suits risking jump over, played with snakes, ... all the fun stuff and despite that my generation has 10 years greater life expectancy from birth than my US cohort generation.
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The life expectancy distribution is not flat: it varies considerably by income, location, and whether you do drugs. It's also a mean, not a median, skewed by early deaths from suicide, drugs, etc. The point being: if you're already 54, earning a median HN salary and not doing drugs, you'll probably live to a lot longer than 73.
> it varies considerably by income, location, and whether you do drugs It's not even that complicated - if you've lived to age 54, you've already lived long enough to not die for the first 54 years and so your life expectancy is higher than the default "no info" value of 73 years old. According to https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html , you have an expected 25 years left.
Mildly interesting: If lifetimes were exponentially distributed (they're not, of course), they'd have a well defined mean, but your future life expectancy would never change. If the mean were 90 years old, and you were 102, you could still expect another 90 years. I bring this up because it's sort of the extreme spherical cow version of what you're saying.
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a statistical artifact of many more Americans dying due to fatal injuries at a young age. If you remove the fatal injuries, Americans are pretty long-lived despite their poor lifestyles.
Any particular reason US citizens are having so many fatal injuries at a young age though? Is the accident rate higher than (say) Canada and Australia, or is the prognosis for recovery after an injury so much worse? Here in Australia in my youth we jumped out of aircraft and helicopters, from one moving vehicle into another on dirt roads, jumped 40 ft off of deep water jetties into shark infested waters, climbed into…
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Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a statistical artifact of many more Americans dying due to fatal injuries at a young age. If you remove the fatal injuries, Americans are pretty long-lived despite their poor lifestyles.
Any particular reason US citizens are having so many fatal injuries at a young age though? Is the accident rate higher than (say) Canada and Australia, or is the prognosis for recovery after an injury so much worse? Here in Australia in my youth we jumped out of aircraft and helicopters, from one moving vehicle into another on dirt roads, jumped 40 ft off of deep water jetties into shark infested waters, climbed into…
Firearms are the leading cause of death for children in the US. That is not the case in other wealthy countries. According to this article
https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-a...
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a statistical artifact of many more Americans dying due to fatal injuries at a young age. If you remove the fatal injuries, Americans are pretty long-lived despite their poor lifestyles.
Any particular reason US citizens are having so many fatal injuries at a young age though? Is the accident rate higher than (say) Canada and Australia, or is the prognosis for recovery after an injury so much worse? Here in Australia in my youth we jumped out of aircraft and helicopters, from one moving vehicle into another on dirt roads, jumped 40 ft off of deep water jetties into shark infested waters, climbed into…
One of the largest outliers is vehicular accidents. Americans drive from an early age and drive a lot of miles. There are a bunch of historical and cultural reasons for this mostly related to agriculture, but you could get permits at age 14 and I seem to recall people driving as young as 12 in restricted agricultural contexts when I was growing up. Most start at 15-16. They also tend to do stupid things in cars when young (because young). Multiple people I knew as a child living in agricultural country died very young in vehicular accidents.
I don’t know how much of this is relevant in 2023. I suspect driving is more restricted than when I was a child. The other major factor is the crime gang warfare that tends to kill a lot of young men. Most Americans will never intersect this subset of the population but it is a major source of skew in longevity statistics.
For better or worse, if you survive into your mid-30s, Americans have a long life expectancy. There are significant sub-populations for who those early years are significant filters.
Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any particular reason US citizens are having so many fatal injuries at a young age though? Is the accident rate higher than (say) Canada and Australia, or is the prognosis for recovery after an injury so much worse? Here in Australia in my youth we jumped out of aircraft and helicopters, from one moving vehicle into another on dirt roads, jumped 40 ft off of deep water jetties into shark infested waters, climbed into…
Firearms are the leading cause of death for children in the US. That is not the case in other wealthy countries. According to this article https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-a...
Fentanyl makes a much larger impact. There were around 14,000 non-suicide firearm deaths in 2018, the most recent year with stats. Fentanyl killed around 110,000 in 2022.
Both issues disproportionately affect small segments of the population though, rather than being general hazards. Driving deaths for example tend to be more evenly distributed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_S...
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/18/1176830906/overdose-death-202...