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The laptop that won't die

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Re: The laptop that won't die

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Post by jjeaff »

close04 wrote: post #289
sodapopcan wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP made a plea, not a demand: > Please don't use Medium, post to Medium, or share Medium links. There was no implication people don't have a choice to keep using terrible software.

You misunderstood me, it wasn't OP's implication, it's Medium's. Medium implies that by clicking on their link I agreed with their ToS/cookies (so tracking). This is not just a wrong implication, it's an illegal one. The person I was replying to above only referred to the paywall issue when I think the main basis for the initial plea to avoid Medium was the second point, Medium's objectionable or illegal practices (n…

Illegal where? In the EU? I don't think it is illegal in the US at least.

Re: The laptop that won't die

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Post by hawski »

vel0city wrote: post #297
hawski wrote: post #275

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IMHO if Microsoft wanted this it is clearly them to blame. It is a bit like going back to the MS-DOS era where applications should behave as there was no memory protection. The simple/partial solution is: if the system is in S0ix (modern standby) state then under no circumstances it is allowed to get warmer than some reasonable temperature (i.e. 36°C / 97°F) - a fan should absolutely never spin up. That is clearly on…

The problem usually isn't that its heating up while in that sleep state, the problem is applications then request to change the current state to a higher power state. Sure, keep S0ix in a low enough power state that it can easily be passively cooled and not allow it to get high enough. What's to stop that av software to once again decide "S0ix? Nah, need to scan NOW, WAKE UP!!!". If there's any way to change these st…

I would argue it is still a problem with the sleep state if it is allowed to be changed by software without restrictions. If the user decided to put his machine in the S0ix state there should be no way other than opening the lid or pushing a button to change it. Maybe there could be a hatch to allow the user to select what has higher privileges. I would worry that the corporate mandate would make all kinds of things in there, so I would vote against that. In general either you fit inside the state or you do not get a ride.

Re: The laptop that won't die

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Post by vel0city »

hawski wrote: post #303
vel0city wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem usually isn't that its heating up while in that sleep state, the problem is applications then request to change the current state to a higher power state. Sure, keep S0ix in a low enough power state that it can easily be passively cooled and not allow it to get high enough. What's to stop that av software to once again decide "S0ix? Nah, need to scan NOW, WAKE UP!!!". If there's any way to change these st…

I would argue it is still a problem with the sleep state if it is allowed to be changed by software without restrictions. If the user decided to put his machine in the S0ix state there should be no way other than opening the lid or pushing a button to change it. Maybe there could be a hatch to allow the user to select what has higher privileges. I would worry that the corporate mandate would make all kinds of things…

Ok, we limit it to only lid open events. So I'll just register my app as a laptop lid driver and emit a lid open event.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

guestbest wrote: post #51

I have a MacBook 13 inch from 2011 that now plays YouTube videos daily for my daughter when she is eating and Netflix until we canceled the subscription. Still going strong with only a replaced battery and the hard drive replacing the dvd spot. I have an older 2004 Toshiba portage m200 tart also won’t die. The only thing that seems to die on these computers is the battery, which used to be a lot easier to replace.

Is that really a good habit for her to be building or a good association to be enforcing? Eating is already mindless enough for most people...

Re: The laptop that won't die

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

wanderingstan wrote: post #107
guestbest wrote: post #51

I have a MacBook 13 inch from 2011 that now plays YouTube videos daily for my daughter when she is eating and Netflix until we canceled the subscription. Still going strong with only a replaced battery and the hard drive replacing the dvd spot. I have an older 2004 Toshiba portage m200 tart also won’t die. The only thing that seems to die on these computers is the battery, which used to be a lot easier to replace.

I had a 2012 MacBook Pro that I used near daily as my non-work computer. Worked fine up to the Day earlier this year I dropped it onto a tile floor…

Did the tile floor pull thru ok?

Re: The laptop that won't die

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Post by simonblack »

My 13-year-old T410 Thinkpad is also eternal. I've bought and thrown away several other laptops since I got that one back in 2010.

I've upgraded it to an SSD 4TB from the original 500GB 2.5" HDD, and I replaced the keyboard when one of the arrow-keys stopped working for some reason.

It was super expensive, but my goal with laptops is to buy something with sufficiently excellent build-quality that it’ll last for years.

That's my philosophy too, both with computers and with cars. In words that's stated pretty much as: "Buy twice as good and buy half as often". Laptops I keep as long as possible, cars usually about 10 years or more. A Mercedes is hardly run in at 10 years of age.

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Post by 22c »

eviks wrote: post #94
22c wrote: post #73

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I think a key difference between Windows and MacOS is that Microsoft has (historically at least) not stopped you from installing newer versions of Windows on older hardware, provided it's fast enough to run it. Trying to run newer versions of MacOS on 10 year old Apple hardware is next to impossible. Windows 11 has a requirement for TPM 2.0, which older hardware doesn't have. I believe that requirement check is relat…

How is it impossible if opencore app exists that does the installation of MacOS for you?

I wasn't aware of that app, sounds neat!
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