This is tangentially Rivian related, but does anyone else see the inherent danger of stylized tail lights that are just a single red bar across the back of the car?
Travelling on the freeway at night I can't really gauge the distance to the car in front of me if it's far ahead and if there's no discernable left and right brake lights. I'd believe Rivians and other cars like that are more at risk of high speed rear-end collisions.
Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
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Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
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I don't think the Jeep or BMW infotainment systems are nearly as fleshed out or complex as Rivian's, especially not Tesla's. Maybe I'm wrong!
That’s a huge plus for me. CarPlay or nothing. BMW is becoming closer to a Tesla like screen. GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs. I don’t want my ICE/EV to become a SaaS app where I’m paying $500 a year to use my own car.
> GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs
IIRC its not just their EVs its all cars.
Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
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I think this shows more of a fundamental flaw in their update mechanism, than anything. I don't think a botched update is a big deal. It happens, and should be expected , in a sane design. The fact that the customer noticed is a big deal. There are many implementations that could be used for an "auto rollback" feature. They either failed to implement that in a sane way, or they were goobers, and assumed things would…
The Tesla update is slow probably for this reason. It is probably verifying that it can rollback at any point of failure.
I would naively expect it to just do A/B updates, which unless I'm forgetting something shouldn't incur a speed penalty? (Other than that the update doesn't get applied until restart)
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I understand, but the risk of life wouldn't be from the bug, it would be from conscious choice of driving without a speedo. There's a critical distinction there. In this case, mileage/battery are still present, and I would assume safety critical warnings would still be displayed.
If you need thr car in an emergency and it's unusable, that almost counts.
"almost" only counts in horseshoes and nukes.
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There's never been any car that 100% will work in the morning when you go to the garage. It's all tradeoffs.
Now we can add 'bad software update' to the list of things that can go wrong with cars. We didn't use to have that.
At the same time, we're losing tons of mechanical problems that use to go wrong with cars. The amount of time lost to car malfunctions is way down over the past couple decades, even with slight regressions like this one.
Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
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I would be pretty pissed if I went out to my garage to head to work one morning and found that a damn software update bricked my car overnight. This shouldn't even be a thing, why does a car need regular software updates to keep functioning?
Cars 20 years ago, even most of them 10 years ago, never got any updates unless they got recalled. Nothing broke, nothing got hacked, and most are probably still working fine. What happened to cars today? I refuse to believe that it's solely because these are electric cars, as if the way the car stores and uses energy dictates that it must be part of the internet of things. Edit: there were electric cars over 100 yea…
Cars 20 years ago didn't have realtime traffic on big touchscreens that you can use to look up your destination and plan out a route that also lets you schedule fueling/charging stops, oh and also stream humanity's entire library of recorded music, books, and podcasts. It's a tradeoff that the vast majority of people want.
Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
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Quite a few reasons but primarily CarPlay doesn't know about your vehicle's charge and road trip navigation requires external inputs to determine your charge route. Apple could potentially offer an API to have "reverse" CarPlay where the car's app can feed information into iOS. I recently rented an Mercedes EV which had Apple CarPlay and it was a weird experience having to manage two sets of experiences.
The exact API you describe already exists in CarPlay.
Today I Learned... that's great to hear!
Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
#158This is tangentially Rivian related, but does anyone else see the inherent danger of stylized tail lights that are just a single red bar across the back of the car? Travelling on the freeway at night I can't really gauge the distance to the car in front of me if it's far ahead and if there's no discernable left and right brake lights. I'd believe Rivians and other cars like that are more at risk of high speed rear-en…
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Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite a few reasons but primarily CarPlay doesn't know about your vehicle's charge and road trip navigation requires external inputs to determine your charge route. Apple could potentially offer an API to have "reverse" CarPlay where the car's app can feed information into iOS. I recently rented an Mercedes EV which had Apple CarPlay and it was a weird experience having to manage two sets of experiences.
Manufacturers should be required to expose an agreed upon spec API that provides range estimate, battery state, etc. So CarPlay and other apps can access the info in a standardized way
100%. I've owned Teslas since 2017 and always found the infotainment to be very good. Though I've really preferred Apple Maps routing recently. The descriptions of when to turn are much more human.
Re: Rivian software update bricks infotainment system, fix not obvious
#160This is tangentially Rivian related, but does anyone else see the inherent danger of stylized tail lights that are just a single red bar across the back of the car? Travelling on the freeway at night I can't really gauge the distance to the car in front of me if it's far ahead and if there's no discernable left and right brake lights. I'd believe Rivians and other cars like that are more at risk of high speed rear-en…
This reminds of the terrible turn signals Mini used, which look like flashing arrows pointing in the opposite direction of the turn[0].
Getting cute with basic stuff like tail lights is forgettable or annoying at best, and absolutely can be dangerous.
[0]https://jalopnik.com/congratulations-mini-you-made-the-stupi...