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The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by ironcurtain »

hnbad wrote: post #382
tomp wrote: post #289

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This sounds like a sensible argument unless you think about it for about 5 seconds. In reality, most of those women absolutely wouldn’t want said man to literally burn $3k or even $20k. Absolutely 100% brainwashed.

I love how both of you are basically just arguing about different ways of how women have no agency. "Those women" are definitely "brainwashed" but phrasing it that way is very condescending. It's called advertising and culture and you're not immune to propaganda either. Some women genuinely value conspicuous consumption as a status symbol the same way some men do. Some women believe diamond rings are a must because "…

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Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by tsimionescu »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #557
tsimionescu wrote: post #445

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Absolutely. I'm just saying it's not fair to say they were industrial abrasives before debeers marketing came along.

How confident are you in your position? https://trishjax.tripod.com/id23.htm

They were still being used as jewelry at that time, so even if their industrial use is older than I thought, the jewelery use is still much, much older than deBeers.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by blindhippo »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #331
oblio wrote: post #317

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> Looking for a woman which doesn't have irrationality? Well, good luck with that! ;) [1] > Nobody is perfect, and when choosing a life partner, you will also need to accept things that you might not like that much, but are still very small compared to all the things you do like. The casual misogynism [1] doesn't really add anything to the useful idea presented later in your comment.

I find myself increasingly alienated from the crowd here because of the daily misogyny, but I interpreted this more as "we are all irrational creatures."

Try any other bit of social media. Some how my instagram feed (whenever I actually go to use it) is now full of silly "haha my husband is stupid he can't find anything without me" nonsense, or "lol, my wife can't drive or deal with any sort of complex social engagement like getting a car repaired".

Bland judgement based on arbitrary buckets like gender/sex seem to be the norm vs actual, thoughtful discourse.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by fsflover »

Retric wrote: post #587
fsflover wrote: post #579

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If the good and the evil are encoded in human genes, then we should kill all bad people and all problems in the world will be solved.

That’s hardly the only option, still… Let’s assume we could kill off all the sociopaths, your point is?

My point is, your expectation of genes being directly connected with the good or evil, or with sociopathy, is naive at best and racist at worst, while at the same time you're using it as an attempt to deny the devastating impact of procreation on the environment.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by blindhippo »

serf wrote: post #298
blindhippo wrote: post #274

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Yikes, that's quite the binary distinction... Surely there is room between those subjective descriptions of people for "hey, I like this thing even though it's irrational, ok?" Let people live their lives and you do you. People aren't a "provider mannequin" just because they like to make their partner happy.

acknowledgement of irrationality, especially one that isn't accompanied with a wish to better themselves away from that irrationality, would be a major red flag for me personally entering into a long-term relationship. there is also a great distinction between "Yeah I know another helping of chocolate syrup on my ice cream is a bad decision, but it'll make me feel good today.", and "You need to make a 10kUSD+ purchas…

While I personally would agree with your distinction, I do thing your example demonstrates a relative bias. For most of us, yeah, there is a difference between adding chocolate syrup to ice cream and a buying a 10kUSD piece of jewelry just because.

Yet for many other people, there is little to no practical difference in the value of those two choices. Are rich people some how less pragmatic/objective because 10k is effectively pocket change to them?

My point here is that there is no objective sense of rationality here - it's all relative to the point of the observer, and casting judgement on others from your own particular viewpoint is largely meaningless (and presumptuous).

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by blindhippo »

ben_w wrote: post #540
fsflover wrote: post #537

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Which is why you should not buy diamonds.

One reason why. I've been tempted to try making them at home since about 2007, but for some reason all the different people I've lived with since then have objected to me running a lightly modified microwave oven continuously for a month at a time, with a few holes in the heating cavity so I can install an inverted pyrex bowl and pipes to connect it to a low-pressure methane supply system…

But when you meet that person who is totally into it, they are gonna be iced out the wazoo in custom made bling.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by dublinben »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #506
dublinben wrote: post #62

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It’s pretty clear how existential of a threat lab-grown diamonds have become to the traditional diamond industry. Today you can buy a lab-grown diamond for ~$550 that’s equivalent to the $4500 natural diamond or $400 moissanite mentioned in that article.

You can see some of that impact on this chart : https://www.pricescope.com/diamond-prices/diamond-prices-cha... That (crappy) $4.6k diamond would be from $3.3k on now : https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search/?CaratFrom=0.9&Carat... So that's a -28%, and assuming no change between 2006 and 2008, this does seem to fit the recent drop in 0.5 to 1 carat prices seen on the chart ? (Note that all of the drops happened sin…

The $550 figure came from the first search result (www.cleanorigin.com) for lab grown diamonds. No clue if this is a reputable site.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by AlecSchueler »

blindhippo wrote: post #593
AlecSchueler wrote: post #331

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I find myself increasingly alienated from the crowd here because of the daily misogyny, but I interpreted this more as "we are all irrational creatures."

Try any other bit of social media. Some how my instagram feed (whenever I actually go to use it) is now full of silly "haha my husband is stupid he can't find anything without me" nonsense, or "lol, my wife can't drive or deal with any sort of complex social engagement like getting a car repaired". Bland judgement based on arbitrary buckets like gender/sex seem to be the norm vs actual, thoughtful discourse.

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by averageRoyalty »

pie420 wrote: post #503
averageRoyalty wrote: post #446

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The irony that you definitely typed this on a device that was partially or fully made in inhumane conditions by people below the poverty line.

You criticize society, yet you live in society. Makes you a bit of a hypocrite, no?

I haven't criticised society?

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Post by averageRoyalty »

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #457
averageRoyalty wrote: post #446

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The irony that you definitely typed this on a device that was partially or fully made in inhumane conditions by people below the poverty line.

We don't choose to purchase slave phones, computers, etc. over free trade alternatives. Choosing blood diamonds over artificial diamonds, makes the cruelty the point, no?

We choose to purchase slave made devices we simply don't need. I can't see how that's ethicallt better.
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