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OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by p1esk »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #27
nick222226 wrote: post #11

What's the fastest way to jump this ladder. Swe at Google, cross train yourself on LLM in 20% time and at home, internal transfer, then get competing offers?

Be born in 1980. Have reasonably well-off parents. Spend your childhood learning math and computers. Travel a little and learn a bit about the world. Study hard and do your homework. Get in to a top university and work on exactly the right problems. Get a job at google some time between 2003 and 2009. Spend at least a decade solving hard problems there, making good visible progress. Now wait to rake in the sweet swee…

Spend at least a decade solving hard problems

That's the hard part. If you can do that you absolutely deserve all the sweet offers coming your way.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by letitgo12345 »

nick222226 wrote: post #11

What's the fastest way to jump this ladder. Swe at Google, cross train yourself on LLM in 20% time and at home, internal transfer, then get competing offers?

Publish high impact papers or develop a social circle of influential folks and impress them

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by machdiamonds »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #27
nick222226 wrote: post #11

What's the fastest way to jump this ladder. Swe at Google, cross train yourself on LLM in 20% time and at home, internal transfer, then get competing offers?

Be born in 1980. Have reasonably well-off parents. Spend your childhood learning math and computers. Travel a little and learn a bit about the world. Study hard and do your homework. Get in to a top university and work on exactly the right problems. Get a job at google some time between 2003 and 2009. Spend at least a decade solving hard problems there, making good visible progress. Now wait to rake in the sweet swee…

Also, be born with an extremely IQ.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by choppaface »

dang wrote: post #30

Hardwalled articles (that is, paywalls without workarounds) aren't allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 . theinformation.com used to open certain articles for HN readers but they stopped responding to our emails years ago

Here are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try...

https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo...

That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today.

Note that the creator of Kubernetes almost took a poach to Facebook, but Google countered and he stayed to create Kubernetes. So the astute HN reader will look at the article headline and then look beyond, as often the article doesn’t tell the whole story.

Also context: YC has vested interests in OpenAI and HN moderation is part of YC. It is beyond me why HN moderation here decides to target my submission with needless references (one of those links is over 7 years old now) and have that appear at the top of the comments. Instead of hey maybe linking to non-paywalled articles. Which would be in the spirit of making HN a place about conversation and learning. And which would be much more aligned with how YC compensates HN moderation. Given there are many hard walled / paywalled articles posted to HN and do not receive such attention from HN mods as has done here, I hope the HN readers are able to weigh how HN mods target certain people in these forums.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by MichaelZuo »

choppaface wrote: post #45
dang wrote: post #30

Hardwalled articles (that is, paywalls without workarounds) aren't allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 . theinformation.com used to open certain articles for HN readers but they stopped responding to our emails years ago

Here are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report. https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try... https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo... That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today. Note…

> Given there are many hard walled / paywalled articles posted to HN

I've never seen a hardwalled article on the frontpage, without any workaround whatsoever, in the last month at least. If you can link to a few recent examples this would be more credible.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by VirusNewbie »

PumpkinSpice wrote: post #25
VirusNewbie wrote: post #13

I find it hard to believe it’s the case for an average researcher, we know their pay package for most L6 engineers is a bit under 1m. But maybe a “fellow” or distinguished engineer?

Yes, it probably applies to the most qualified hires, so probably folks who are already around $1M total comp where they are. But the most important point is, you don't get that money now, and maybe never. The most likely scenario where you get that kind of a payday is if they go public and if the pre-IPO pie-in-the-sky valuation holds for a good while. It might. But it's far more of a gamble than your FAANG stock.

I assume an engineering fellow at Amazon or Google is making well over 1M, so that actually makes sense to need to give them 3x or more for drastically less liquid comp.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by dang »

choppaface wrote: post #45
dang wrote: post #30

Hardwalled articles (that is, paywalls without workarounds) aren't allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 . theinformation.com used to open certain articles for HN readers but they stopped responding to our emails years ago

Here are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report. https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try... https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo... That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today. Note…

Nobody's targeting you. You posted a hardwalled article, which is against HN's rules; that's all.

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by choppaface »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #46
choppaface wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report. https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try... https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo... That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today. Note…

> Given there are many hard walled / paywalled articles posted to HN I've never seen a hardwalled article on the frontpage, without any workaround whatsoever, in the last month at least. If you can link to a few recent examples this would be more credible.

Search for yourself articles with any sort of wall are posted here all the time and HN moderation does not consistently comment and moreover allows people to post gift links which everybody here likes but in fact violate TOS.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Also this 7yo flamewar: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12683017

Re: OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers

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Post by choppaface »

dang wrote: post #48
choppaface wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report. https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try... https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo... That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today. Note…

Nobody's targeting you. You posted a hardwalled article, which is against HN's rules; that's all.

sort by date, several articles from this site posted in the past few weeks with zero HN moderation commenting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

While HN moderation might argue X Y or Z, the evidence confirms targeting, the comments here by HN moderation stigma both submission and discussion, and the substance of the article is primarily the headline anyways.

HN moderation and YC leadership have a well-established desire to antagonize, see e.g. https://techbrosf.weebly.com/

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