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Beg Bounties (2021)

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Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by valvar »

geek_at wrote: post #93
waihtis wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No criticism because teenagers do dumb things, but for anyone else it should be assumed that if you break into a system without permission, benignly or not, you run the risk of getting prosecuted for it.

Oh yes. In 2011 I got raided by the police because I clicked a link someone sent me over IRC [1]. You don't even need to be destructive to become a target for prosecution sometimes. Being stupid or incautious is enough. [1] https://blog.haschek.at/2015-that-not-so-awesome-time-the-po...

Is there no way to contest such a warrant? What about compensation for the loss of utility caused by the confiscation?

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by gpderetta »

thfuran wrote: post #139
scotty79 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that in many places intent to commit another crime is a key.

But trespassing is (presumably in those jurisdictions) a crime.

AFAIK, trespassing per-se is usually not a crime in England. It is typically considered civil matter. It gets more complicated I think if you get told to leave and resist. And of course trespassing with intent to steal is a crime.

IANAL, just a random r/LegalAdviceUK lurker.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

machomaster wrote: post #159
DylanSp wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being self-employed has some benefits - https://www.troyhunt.com/about/ .

In his email signature he writes that he is a "Microsoft Regional Director". Even thought that is formally correct, in practice it is highly misleading, because it alludes that he works for Microsoft at the highest C/Director level, while in reality he is a mere advisor and this is a vanity title he got. This is very sleezy behavior and way worse than the guy he criticized did.

On his about page, he clearly explains his title: https://www.troyhunt.com/about/

Literally, the first two sentences:

    I'm Troy Hunt, an Australian Microsoft Regional Director and Microsoft Most Valuable Professional for Developer Security. I don't work for Microsoft, but they're kind enough to recognise my community contributions by way of their award programs which I've been a part of since 2011.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by lost_tourist »

plugin-baby wrote: post #108
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the danger of good intents but still breaking the law. If a house is unlocked and you go in to prove it's unlocked, maybe leave a helpful note, you're still breaking in. Report and move on.

> If a house is unlocked and you go in to prove it's unlocked, maybe leave a helpful note, you're still breaking in. What jurisdiction? I would think this was just trespass.

Stepping on someone's land marked as "no trespassing" is one thing (and a big thing) in the USA, just walking into someone's house, is B&E if the person wants the yokels to press charges and you didn't have permission. I assume the same is true for cybercrime, especially if you're using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be, especially if it causes damage of some sort.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by lost_tourist »

pilchard123 wrote: post #110
plugin-baby wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a house is unlocked and you go in to prove it's unlocked, maybe leave a helpful note, you're still breaking in. What jurisdiction? I would think this was just trespass.

IIRC some jurisdictions consider any force at all - such as pushing an already-open door further open - to be sufficient to make it B&E rather than simply trespassing.

yeah, usually you get a forceful entry charge in addition. You can't just walk into someone's house even if their door is ajar or unlocked. I'm not sure if cracking it and say asking "is anyone here?", My guess it involves actually stepping into the house, for example you're worried about a neighbor if his door is standing open

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by lost_tourist »

Fatnino wrote: post #143
thfuran wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But trespassing is (presumably in those jurisdictions) a crime.

Trespassing is ignoring (sufficient) signs posted saying no trespassing, or refusing to leave when a person authorised to demand you leave asks it. Something like that, I'm not a lawyer.

I can understand land, but isn't entering an actual building/home/garage without permission a crime even if it was unlocked? it seems like it should be, but my view is tainted by US law which is overly complicated and varies state to state about severity, but I'm pretty sure it's against the law in every state.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by lost_tourist »

Waterluvian wrote: post #2

I’m less upset about people begging for bounties than I am learning that leaking children’s voice recordings isn’t an instant deathblow to a company.

what are kids voicing that should result in the firing of thousands or even tens of thousands of adults because a corporation got dissolved? Seems a bit overboard

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by lost_tourist »

Etheryte wrote: post #112
oliwarner wrote: post #80

I understand the problem, beggars add noise to an important contact signal point… But this idea that people ' did actually already do the "work" for free' so don't deserve remuneration… isn't great. Lot's of people do spec work to try and get paid, or to get more work. The recipient is free to negotiate, rebuff or simply ignore it, but this idea that time sunk is valueless is unhelpful. Not defending "Hammad" here. I…

This makes no sense. Imagine someone shows up at your house, paints the fence and then asks you for compensation. They already did the work, but you never even asked for it. The same thing is happening here.

lol this actually happened to me. I came home with a note on my door and fixed gutter. Turns out they were supposed to fix someone's a few houses down but saw my house (first on the street). I was going to fix it myself. I called them to let them know I never scheduled anything and ask what was up. We figured it out and I gave them 1/2 of what they would have normally charged after I verified with that neighbor what they were saying was true. It was very reasonable even at full price. I wouldn't have had to pay them a dime, but they saved me some work and time and I sent them a check anyway.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by scolby33 »

Why is most of the substance of this post giant block quote links to his own Twitter? Clicking through to those is painful; it’s not like the author can’t afford to host some screenshots on his own domain.

Re: Beg Bounties (2021)

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Post by MertsA »

machomaster wrote: post #159
DylanSp wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being self-employed has some benefits - https://www.troyhunt.com/about/ .

In his email signature he writes that he is a "Microsoft Regional Director". Even thought that is formally correct, in practice it is highly misleading, because it alludes that he works for Microsoft at the highest C/Director level, while in reality he is a mere advisor and this is a vanity title he got. This is very sleezy behavior and way worse than the guy he criticized did.

It's kind of hard to fault Troy here when Microsoft came up with that gem of a name.

https://mvp.microsoft.com/en-us/RD

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