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The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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> So if someone can sell you a diamond for X, it is worth X. Note quite, when most people buy land the seller doesn’t receive the full amount you pay realtors get their cut of the transaction. Same deal with used cars etc, the transaction costs are removed from the sales price when calculating value. Commercial Diamonds are just an unusually extreme case. > I just don't get the distinction. A 'natural' tradition isn'…

>Note quite, when most people buy land the seller doesn’t receive the full amount you pay realtors get their cut of the transaction. Same deal with used cars etc. In my country house selling generally uses an agency model, I (optionally) employ someone to market my house. I get the full value, and then pay them a fee. A second hand car seller sells the car, they make money by adding value. If I choose to buy a car I…

> I get the full value, and then pay them a fee.

It really doesn’t matter how the transaction is structured, sellers can do that legwork themselves but that’s also a cost. If you sell your house for 1 million and taxes eat 10k and the agents eat 10k then the house must be worth 980k to you because that’s what ends up in your bank account.

Which is why economics define the term value as what the seller keeps after selling something because if the seller thinks it’s worth more than that they wouldn’t do the transaction.

> You’re implying who created the thing is more importantly than what the thing is.

No I am arguing what maintains the thing is important. People argue about who created the first iconic foods lie Philly Cheese Stake or Deep Dish Pizza etc, but they don’t need to actively maintain its cultural inertia.

Diamond engagement rings on the other hand only exist with active effort on the part of Diamond Merchants. Which is why they keep being advertised as such.

It’s trivial to make an idea like an advertising slogan catch on when you’re blasting it over the airwaves regularly, but people very quickly forget about them without regular reinforcement. Here’s some of the most famous US slogans from the 20th century fill in the brand: "All the News That's Fit to Print", "Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't.", "Where's the beef?" "The pause that refreshes"

If you’re old enough you might even remember them or the equivalent from where you live, but they aren’t going to roll off the tongue the way more recent examples like “_ eat Fresh”, “Just do it”, “The Best a Man Can Get”, “Like a good neighbor, _ is there.” etc do. Those slogans aren’t better, the difference is just recent advertising budgets.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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Jewelry is not unpractical, it's like an insurance for bad times. When shit hits the fan you still have your jewelry to sell.

I mean, sort of? The median woman who wants the gorgeous diamond ring from her husband is NOT thinking “This will be great insurance in case we become destitute”. Because everyone knows the resell value is terrible! Worst return on an insurance policy ever. They want them because they are pretty and because – like it or not – it’s what society has taught them to expect.

Don't know, gold still seems to be wanted when financial times are uncertain.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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There's so much irrationality in the world, everyone is guilty of them: irrationally believing in gods, irrationally being happy when someone else wins a sports match, irrationally being happy with a very expensive red sportscar, etc, etc, etc.

All of those things are rational. - Religion brings some people comfort and peace. - Sports speak to our tribal nature evolved over millions of years. - Sports cars are fun and exhilarating to drive and a status symbol or wealth and success, which help to attract mates.

But it is irrational that religion brings people comfort and peace. Why do stories do this?

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This isn’t some random person off the street, this is someone you’re hopefully spending the majority of your life with. It’s ok to be picky.

Certainly, but I was just pointing out to OP that finding it unacceptable when they person they marry has some kind of irrationality is very strong and likely not logical. For one, the affection most relationships are based on love/affection which isn't rational in most cases.

I’ve seen people get marred who are actively planning on getting divorced quickly afterwards. The idea that marriage is some deep institution based on love/affection is more myth than reality.

It’s also not particularly uncommon for divorcing couples to still have sex and even care for each other deeply. Based on one study something like ~6% of divorces result in the couple remarrying each other and of those marriages only 30% or so end in a second divorce.

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On the contrary. If you care about the environment, it is your duty to have kids and raise them caring about the environment.

There are already enough people on Earth, such that our civilization is very unsustainable. Consider adopting existing children if you actually care for the environment.

That might not work if care for the environment in genetic.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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That's like saying you wouldn't want to spend the rest of your life with someone who plays video games. Or eats dessert. Or likes flashy cars. There's some level that is perfectly healthy, as long as it doesn't interfere with the important stuff. --- If she says "diamond ring or else I don't want you"...that's bad. If she says "I prefer a diamond ring, but either way I want you"...nothing wrong with that.

Your assumption that all the things in your list are roughly equivalent and indicate a healthy, well-adjusted human is questionable.

Which things on that list are unhealthy/incompatible with a well-adjusted human?

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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From my Dutch perspective, American weddings as well as the prestigious ring is astonishing to see. It's like an industry. When my brother married, they went to the city council and signed a document. Later that night they threw a party in their own garden. Probably didn't even spend 1K in costs, and everybody had a fantastic time and is still talking about it 20 years later. It really was a special day and they're a…

It is an industry in the US, for sure, but also, plenty of people in the US do minimal weddings like you describe. I'd be surprised, though, if lots of Dutch people didn't have big expensive weddings as well.

The thing I'm trying to say is that it wasn't a minimum wedding or not experienced as such. Everybody had a blast, was well taken care of, great food, unlimited drinks. Nothing felt minimum or cheap about it.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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There are lots on eBay, or at least there were some years back when I was in the market.

eBay is sketchy when it comes to this. I want to have someone verify it is what they say it is.

After you receive it, you can take it to a jeweler for confirmation. If it was falsely represented, eBay should back your return claim.

Re: The diamond world takes radical steps to stop a pricing plunge

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There are already enough people on Earth, such that our civilization is very unsustainable. Consider adopting existing children if you actually care for the environment.

That might not work if care for the environment in genetic.

It is not.

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I guess that works for most men. Personally, one of my criteria is that she can't want a diamond, that might sound crazy but I want a partner in life that is financially sensible and fiscally responsible, we have to leave our children with more than we were left with or we have failed, that is a core part of my philosophy of family building. Thankfully I found her. I also had a talk with her dad about it after I met…

Having children is not financially nor fiscally sensible. And it's also bad for the environment.

Making better people is the only way to make a better world.
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