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Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by mholm » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 4:35 PM UTC

MichaelZuo wrote: post #38

rockemsockem wrote: post #35

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They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse. They're years behind on institutional know-how and infra

> They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse. What's the reasoning behind this? Apple itself tends to be late in supporting a lot of things, but when they do it's more polished then competitors.

Toyota has massive scale, is very successful, and is japanese, and thus has extreme inertia on change, even in software where such things 'should' be faster. Their existing infotainment has been considered fine and functional for years, and Toyota likely didn't start seriously considering it till consumers were already demanding it.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by happytiger » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 7:07 PM UTC

maximus-decimus wrote: post #17

happytiger wrote: post #11

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I don’t want to sell all my data and privacy to car companies so I can have a warm car from a distance. If you want to make that trade you guys go ahead. Me: bad trade.

And I find it a bad trade NOW. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like in 10 years once they don't push security updates and the Kia Boys can use years old security bugs to steal your car.

Oh yea. They toute “cars as technology platforms” but these are the organizations who couldn’t even deliver updates over-the-air until Tesla shamed them. The attack surface of entire product lines that have huge utility but no security is going to be epic.

Just look at this garbage. Not one mention of any of the issues or security problems these companies are condemning themselves to, not to mention the consumers…

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/...

Vehicles can last 10-20 years, but updates from manufacturers top out at 5-7 and are almost exclusively closed source and lawsuit / litigation heavy and willing.

It is kill box territory.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by MichaelZuo » Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

mholm wrote: post #41

MichaelZuo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse. What's the reasoning behind this? Apple itself tends to be late in supporting a lot of things, but when they do it's more polished then competitors.

Toyota has massive scale, is very successful, and is japanese, and thus has extreme inertia on change, even in software where such things 'should' be faster. Their existing infotainment has been considered fine and functional for years, and Toyota likely didn't start seriously considering it till consumers were already demanding it.

Did you mistake my comment with a different comment chain?

I was addressing the parent's claim that the Carplay integration is 'much worse' then other automakers.