I keep picturing HackerNews being rewritten with Meteor so I can watch up-votes in realtime.
Seriously though, Meteor looks incredible and I can't wait to mess around with it! Awesome work.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the docs ( http://docs.meteor.com/#meteor_collection ): "Currently the client is given full write access to the collection. They can execute arbitrary Mongo update commands. Once we build authentication, you will be able to limit the client's direct access to insert, update, and remove. We are also considering validators and other ORM-like functionality." So just for toys for the moment. Still, very cool...
Right. But as soon as you have this ability, don't you quickly turn off insert/update? then you throttle/contain reads... So in the end, do we benefit from having a client side database connection? I'm struggling to put together a real-world use case for one that isn't irresponsible.
It seems like standard operating procedure for web apps has been to immediately throw out the user account system of whatever data store is being used and use one account with full CRUD access (or worse), with a (mediocre to disastrous) home-grown permissions system shoehorned into the controller layer.
That may be because of programmer laziness or because of some sort of inherent impedance mismatch between web-scale apps and the user account system of most DBMSes, but it seems like a bad way of doing things.
I think it's high time we had a web-scale data store that actually had decent per-user access control baked into it right at the model level, to the point where a sane person could trust it to live on the open internet. It seems both possible and desirable, but maybe I'm missing something.
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#23Hey everyone! The four of us have been working very hard on this for the last six months, and we're excited to finally take the wraps off. Can't wait to hear what you think! We've got a lot more stuff coming over the next few months, and if there are particular things you'd like us to do/prioritize, I'd love to hear about them!
Does this work with something like Plates or Weld.js, or does it replace them, or does it shun that approach altogether?
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#24Lots of smart design choices. I have equivalent bits and pieces scattered all over the place that I've been meaning to put together to get the "wow" that this package delivers. Kudos for actually making it happen.
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#25This looks extremely interesting, and reminds me a bit of Lunascript (http://asana.com/luna/). I'm very interested in who is paying for the development? I notice that there's no big tech company behind this and from the contact page I can see Meteor Development Group has an office in downtown San Francisco. So do you have any info on what the plan is regarding monetization?
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#26Just watched the entire demo. First time I heard two people present a product together - definitely makes it a lot more interesting and much less monotonous. After the first 30seconds, I went "pfft, live reload isn't new." But I'm glad I stayed till the very end because it is indeed so much more. It looks very promising, especially if you offer app hosting of some kind (or make it easy on Heroku etc.) I am curious ab…
Thanks for the feedback about the beginning of the demo. We had a really tough time with the site and the video because the people who are interested in frameworks like Meteor come from a lot of different backgrounds. Some people have written half a dozen Backbone applications and have written their own highly scalable node.js cache invalidation servers, while other people have suggested that we take the word "REST" off the homepage because it's confusing to new developers.
It's tough to find a pace that holds the attention of the experienced people while not losing the people that are new to web development.
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#27Neat. Sounds a bit like Asana's Luna: http://asana.com/luna/
I thought so too, one of the founders was an employee of Asana.
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#28This feels to me a lot like how Rails felt back in 2005. A fundamental leap forward and an understanding of where web technology is going.
I haven't felt that way about Node.js or even its higher-level frameworks like Express or Batman. This feels like "The One", even though I've been absorbing the docs and screencasts only for the last 20 minutes.
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#29Great. I'm sure realtime web frameworks will be the future of node.js and the entiry web itself. However, I do have some concerns. Opening my Databse via the web? Neeh, this is one thing not clear in the video.
P.S.: You should provide your cli via npm. Go and register the name before someone else do. (It's not taken currently http://search.npmjs.org/#/meteor)
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#30Cool stuff! Really like the template handler that "notices" which attributes you're interested in and registers listeners for you. Is that implemented with a proxy "this?" or with actual Javascript parsing? gulp
Any reason the GitHub link isn't above the fold? That's the first thing I looked for...
I'd also be curious to know if any of the live reloading stuff was inspired by Brett Victor's "Inventing on Principle?" Something about tools that let you create "live" seems to be in the air.