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GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by magicalhippo »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #19
magicalhippo wrote: post #5

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Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

Fortunately there is 30 year old tech that does exactly this without any modern app-tier enshittification. You can start a car from 2km away by pushing a button on the key ring. This is a solved problem. That doesn't involve a smartphone.

How much range when the car is in a parking garage and you are in a condo, restaurant or similar, ie both surrounded by concrete?

Besides an app allows much more than a simple on off.

Not saying you should have to sell your privacy for ut, but there are some potential positive things by having the car connected to the cloud. So if there's a way to do that without the shenanigans then that might be good.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by pjmlp »

bastard_op wrote: post #8

After the failure of pretty much all embedded automobile platforms like microsoft sync that people really don't want yet another crappy middleware platform, the automotive industry is trying this shit again removing android auto and apple carplay after people actually got what they want. Why? Auto vendors realized they lost control through their ineptitude of the user interface, and want it back. Problem is no one wa…

I am more than happy with my infotaiment system, don't need Android or iOS messing up with it, bluetooth audio is more than enough.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by friend_and_foe »

I don't know that I trust this. I was in a GM vehicle and on start the entertsinment unit showed a URL where you can access open source licensed code used in the car. Went to the URL and it was a dead link. I probably should've notified the EFF or something but I didn't. These companies don't understand or respect FOSS.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by rockemsockem »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #12
bastard_op wrote: post #8

After the failure of pretty much all embedded automobile platforms like microsoft sync that people really don't want yet another crappy middleware platform, the automotive industry is trying this shit again removing android auto and apple carplay after people actually got what they want. Why? Auto vendors realized they lost control through their ineptitude of the user interface, and want it back. Problem is no one wa…

That hasn't been my experience with a 2021 RAV4. The Toyota system is much more reliable then Carplay. Which I've heard is itself more reliable than android auto. I imagine partly because it uses the physical buttons located around the screen, partly because automakers have much more stringent requirements for software validation. e.g. Maybe 1 out of 1000 times the built in maps app crashes, gives an error, or doesn'…

Just wait until you want to drive to a newly built neighborhood and it isn't loaded into your maps so you can't do normal GPS navigation there.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by rockemsockem »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #26
mholm wrote: post #23

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If Toyota integrated CarPlay correctly, it wouldn’t be crashing. Instead, they prioritize their inferior system, which only leads to better experience because the other one is gimped.

That's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence that Toyota's integration is notably worse then other automakers.

They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse. They're years behind on institutional know-how and infra

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Post by rockemsockem »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #30
NateSwift wrote: post #27

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I’ve used carplay with a iphone 12 nearly every day for 2 years and never had issues with it crashing or becoming unresponsive. Stability issues definitely makes me think it’s a problem with your setup.

It sounds like you are an outlier then, there are many many videos on youtube showing Carplay to not respond 100% of the time.

In Toyotas?

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Post by RockRobotRock »

simfree wrote: post #28
cavisne wrote: post #15

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I've never experienced a "crash" in Maps or Google Maps, whether on carplay or on the phone. Maybe there is something wrong with your car/phone? Carplay & android auto do have issues connecting at first but the apps themselves never seem to crash.

Google Maps crashes all the time on my Pixel phone, and I hear similar complaints from friends of mine on Samsung and Motorola phones. Note that this is without using Android Auto. Count yourself lucky if you have a stable, crash free Google Maps experience!

Feel like google maps runs better on iOS.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by MichaelZuo »

rockemsockem wrote: post #35
MichaelZuo wrote: post #26

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That's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence that Toyota's integration is notably worse then other automakers.

They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse. They're years behind on institutional know-how and infra

> They didn't even start supporting it until the past couple years, so of course it's going to be worse.

What's the reasoning behind this? Apple itself tends to be late in supporting a lot of things, but when they do it's more polished then competitors.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by MichaelZuo »

rockemsockem wrote: post #36
MichaelZuo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you are an outlier then, there are many many videos on youtube showing Carplay to not respond 100% of the time.

In Toyotas?

Yes? Even if only 1% of Toyota owners total post videos of their screen and only 1% of those videos capture carplay interactions, that's thousands of videos total.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Post by panick21_ »

userbinator wrote: post #22
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #20

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People want tactile hard buttons, not a "connected center screen". Who started this myth?

Marketing, of course. People are being told what they should want, which conveniently lines up with cost savings from the companies themselves..

No its actually that those cars sell better. Specially if you look to China its even more true. Even in the US pickup trucks turn into luxery cars with lots of tech and gadgets.

I love how tech people always believe that what they dont like nobody likes and consumers are forced.

Most people simply don't give shit if things go over local networks or clouds. People like opening an app and seeing if somebody is stealing from their car. To prewarm the car from whereever they are. And so on and so on.

And its not actually what traditional car companies want. In fact, they are in panic mode because new companies like Tesla and car makers from China have interduced these things and costumers prefer prefer it.

So now they are rushing to catch up and often doing it badly.

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